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wendie

10/6/2010 11:35:02 AM
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Photo Radar

I didn't know there was some in Brandon...  
 
My friend couldn't renew his licence and vehicle registration until his fines were paid! I do think that is a great way to make sure people pay up... too bad, some of those ideas couldn't be used for those who avoid paying child support... jmho

 
 
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TruthbeTold

10/6/2010 11:38:28 AM
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Strange.

I thought that photo radar did not target the driver's license since they could not determine who was driving at the time.

forreal?!

10/6/2010 11:42:08 AM
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yeha me as well

they can't force him to pay for photo radar, he can fight it and say he wasn't driving. These are most likely parking tickets or speeding tickets and he might have a photo one in there somewhere but it's not because of these that it would stop him from being able to renew.

mel3737

10/6/2010 11:42:21 AM
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Sorta

  
TruthbeTold said "I thought that photo radar did not target the driver's license since they could not determine who was driving at the time. "

Technically it goes to the vehicle. However, if that vehicle is in your name they don't let pick and choose what to pay for until you pay off the fines. Does that make any sense?  
Technically they aren't targeting the driver but they are saying "sorry any money you give us is going towards the fines on your name first, then you can pay to renew"

Fishin Guy

10/6/2010 12:16:44 PM
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So.....

  
hollywood_me said "when I get to the law courts I will plead guilty with a reason. I earlier shared that a lawyer himself was standing in line on broadway who gave me a little advice he said don't plead innocent, "plead guilty but with a reason" I think I have the reason if they go ahead and extend the amber lights over there.  
 
 
"I'am serious I have a photo radar ticket for .1 millisecond " lol "using a Gilbert Gottfried rant"  
 
 
 
Edited by hollywood_me, 2010-10-06 12:04:42"

What happens if they extend the lights and another .1ms ticket comes? Do they extend it further? If you are in the intersection and it turns red do you get a ticket? I have always thought that there was enough time to pass through. The only time I can see a ticket is if you were trying to get 2 cars through an amber light like many people around here try with 2-3 cars running ambers.

Adam

10/6/2010 12:47:03 PM
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Photo radar

There aren't any in Brandon... The tickets would've had to come in Wpg or another city that has photo radar. It's a common rumour that the camera at 34th and Vic is photo radar, but per previous threads that is false... The camera is related to the traffic detection system at that intersection.

BH

10/6/2010 12:58:05 PM
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red is red

  
hollywood_me said "i'm going to court 'repeats" I have 2 photo radars in winnipeg , a little over 24 hours apart , and when I get to court these 2 photo radar tickets will be squashed. because one ticket is for .1 msc and the other one is for .6 msc thats barely a second each ticket. and by the time December comes around the city of winnipeg , will have extended the timing of their amber lights hopefully. then the tickets that are $249.00 a piece will be no more. and no , I was not speeding. this is just a money grab for the city. "

Good luck.

Big Mamma

10/6/2010 2:08:42 PM
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?

  
Adam said "There aren't any in Brandon... The tickets would've had to come in Wpg or another city that has photo radar. It's a common rumour that the camera at 34th and Vic is photo radar, but per previous threads that is false... The camera is related to the traffic detection system at that intersection. "

I noticed there is a camera looking thing at Kirkaldy and First is it a detection system also?

Oryx

10/6/2010 3:15:03 PM
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Isn't

  
wendieann said "I didn't know there was some in Brandon...  
 
My friend couldn't renew his licence and vehicle registration until his fines were paid! I do think that is a great way to make sure people pay up... too bad, some of those ideas couldn't be used for those who avoid paying child support... jmho "

like Adam said there are no photo radar cameras or red light cameras in Brandon.  
 
Further.. Actions by registrar for debts  
 
In a circumstance if a person is indebted to the government or The Manitoba Public Insurance Corporation, the registrar may do one or more of the following:  
 
(a) suspend the person's driver's licence or the registration of any vehicle registered in the person's name:  
 
(b) suspend the person's right to hold a driver's licence or to register a vehicle:  
 
(c) refuse to issue a driver's licence to the person or to register any vehicle in the person's name.  
 
 
 
Edited by Oryx, 2010-10-06 15:24:25

Adam

10/6/2010 3:18:21 PM
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Detection

  
Big Mamma said "
  
Adam said "There aren't any in Brandon... The tickets would've had to come in Wpg or another city that has photo radar. It's a common rumour that the camera at 34th and Vic is photo radar, but per previous threads that is false... The camera is related to the traffic detection system at that intersection. "

I noticed there is a camera looking thing at Kirkaldy and First is it a detection system also? "

I'm assuming so. There would be a big public awareness campaign/media circus if (when?) a ticket-giving camera is installed at intersections. The debate has come up a few times, and I'm sure will again... whether it's during of after the election. We do have a significant issue with late intersection entries in this city, and there will always be debate as to whether or not cameras would improve the situation.  
 
For an idea of where public opinion is on the issue, the poll below was run on eBrandon last year:  
 
Question: Would you support the implimentation of red light cameras at selected major Brandon intersections?  
 
Out of a total of 504 votes, the results were:  
No: 271 (54%)  
Yes, but only if startup and operational costs were minimal to the City: 119 (24%)  
Yes, even with substantial startup costs that could recouped over time: 114 (23%)  
 
Edited by Adam, 2010-10-06 15:21:30

MrMechanic

10/6/2010 4:10:59 PM
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You cannot renew

I have had experience with this. The ex while still driving a car in my name had several photo speeding tickets, and until they were paid I was unable to renew my license. You do not get demerits, but they can prevent renewal.

wendie

10/6/2010 4:12:12 PM
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Radar

I am sure everyone received a letter in regards to the new Renewal Notice... where you do everything from drivers license to vehicle license all at the same time...  
 
With it comes a letter stating if you have to contact the office because you can't renew.  
 
I didn't think there was any in Brandon, as I have yet to see a nice camera sign attached to the pole! However, he said they turned the computer screen around to see it...  
 
I knew he got the 2 parking tickets, in the mail... but he didn't get anything in regards to photo radar!!  
 
Fighting fines cost money too, besides court fees to taking time off work...and being a truck driver he just can't do it!  
 
If they impliment paying off fines, as easily as that... then I wonder why they have such a hard time collecting child support? (I know..off topic some what..lol)

DStu42

10/6/2010 5:16:18 PM
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They Can't Just Start Radar

Used to live in Winnipeg, photo radar is awesome cuz cops stop taking radar and you learn where and when you can speed. Second of all, if they did have cameras, there would be signs everywhere. Legally they have to warn you hence in Winnipeg there are photo radar warning signs everywhere to scare you.

caravan

10/6/2010 5:48:39 PM
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radar tickets

didnt bother reading whole thread to see if this is mentioned because i didnt have time but... if your vehicle that is insured under your name is buster by photo radar, it does not matter who was driving, you are still, as the registered owner of that vehicle, responsible for any laws that are broken (or any fines that are incurred) in the use of your vehicle  
 
it does not go against your licence but you, as the registered owner of that vehicle, are still legally responsible

NotThatGuy

10/6/2010 5:58:54 PM
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...

I thought that it was also illegal to enter an intersection when the light had already turned yellow. Maybe that has changed.  
 
... off to google the highway traffic act....

NotThatGuy

10/6/2010 6:06:47 PM
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HTA...

so I found the following....  
 
Yellow traffic control light or arrow at intersection  
 
88(5) When a yellow or amber traffic control light or arrow is being shown at an intersection by a traffic control signal following or accompanying a green traffic control light,  
 
(a) the driver of a vehicle at or approaching the intersection and facing the light or arrow shall not enter the intersection, unless he can leave it before a red traffic control light or such other signal as next follows, begins to be shown;
 
 
from this link: http://web2.gov.mb.ca/laws/statutes/ccsm/h060e.php  
 

Pianagal

10/6/2010 9:36:45 PM
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It is

To respond to the second part of the OP: holding back licenses is used for people who don't pay child support.

Doug

10/6/2010 10:46:09 PM
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so

  
recoil said "so I found the following....  
 
Yellow traffic control light or arrow at intersection  
 
88(5) When a yellow or amber traffic control light or arrow is being shown at an intersection by a traffic control signal following or accompanying a green traffic control light,  
 
(a) the driver of a vehicle at or approaching the intersection and facing the light or arrow shall not enter the intersection, unless he can leave it before a red traffic control light or such other signal as next follows, begins to be shown;
 
 
from this link: http://web2.gov.mb.ca/laws/statutes/ccsm/h060e.php  
 
"

The way I read that is- when you see the green turn to yellow and you have yet to enter the intersection you have 2 choices.  
 
1) Hit the binders and as red light cameras have proven time and time again they change the type crash not decrease them.  
Intersection crashes drop rear enders jump.  
 
2) as long as you and your two front doors have left the intersection the rear passengers and doors will not get a ticket.  
 
It is not against the law to enter a intersection when amber is showing as long as you can safely get your arse out.  
 
That in my opinion is why adding .25 or .5 secs to amber lights is a safe way to stop t bone collisions at intersections.  
 
No problems here with photo radar but red light cameras suck.  
 

RF

10/6/2010 11:02:41 PM
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Photo Radar

I am shocked to hear that some may think Bdn has this Radar. It will never happen.

BH

10/6/2010 11:10:04 PM
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..

  
Doug said "
  
recoil said "so I found the following....  
 
Yellow traffic control light or arrow at intersection  
 
88(5) When a yellow or amber traffic control light or arrow is being shown at an intersection by a traffic control signal following or accompanying a green traffic control light,  
 
(a) the driver of a vehicle at or approaching the intersection and facing the light or arrow shall not enter the intersection, unless he can leave it before a red traffic control light or such other signal as next follows, begins to be shown;
 
 
from this link: http://web2.gov.mb.ca/laws/statutes/ccsm/h060e.php  
 
"

The way I read that is- when you see the green turn to yellow and you have yet to enter the intersection you have 2 choices.  
 
1) Hit the binders and as red light cameras have proven time and time again they change the type crash not decrease them.  
Intersection crashes drop rear enders jump.  
 
2) as long as you and your two front doors have left the intersection the rear passengers and doors will not get a ticket.  
 
It is not against the law to enter a intersection when amber is showing as long as you can safely get your arse out.  
 
That in my opinion is why adding .25 or .5 secs to amber lights is a safe way to stop t bone collisions at intersections.  
 
No problems here with photo radar but red light cameras suck.  
 
"

The challenger for Mayor in Winnipeg wants to look at adding an extra second(going from 3 to 4) for amber lights.

TM

10/6/2010 11:41:23 PM
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It's for both!

Upaid fines/tickets and unpaid child support will cause a hold be put on your Driver's License and Auto Insurance not allowing you to renew until paid.

Doug

10/7/2010 12:09:31 AM
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tickets

  
BH said "
  
Doug said "
  
recoil said "so I found the following....  
 
Yellow traffic control light or arrow at intersection  
 
88(5) When a yellow or amber traffic control light or arrow is being shown at an intersection by a traffic control signal following or accompanying a green traffic control light,  
 
(a) the driver of a vehicle at or approaching the intersection and facing the light or arrow shall not enter the intersection, unless he can leave it before a red traffic control light or such other signal as next follows, begins to be shown;
 
 
from this link: http://web2.gov.mb.ca/laws/statutes/ccsm/h060e.php  
 
"

The way I read that is- when you see the green turn to yellow and you have yet to enter the intersection you have 2 choices.  
 
1) Hit the binders and as red light cameras have proven time and time again they change the type crash not decrease them.  
Intersection crashes drop rear enders jump.  
 
2) as long as you and your two front doors have left the intersection the rear passengers and doors will not get a ticket.  
 
It is not against the law to enter a intersection when amber is showing as long as you can safely get your arse out.  
 
That in my opinion is why adding .25 or .5 secs to amber lights is a safe way to stop t bone collisions at intersections.  
 
No problems here with photo radar but red light cameras suck.  
 
"

The challenger for Mayor in Winnipeg wants to look at adding an extra second(going from 3 to 4) for amber lights. "

Well the chickens have come home to roost!  
The peg bought a pig in the poke and now they will have to deal with it.  
It never was or will be a safety issue when a company comes in and acts just like a cell phone company. They provide free or cheap equipment for a percentage of the coin. Feel free to google for outfits charged and convicted running city systems where they buggered around with light times !  
 
Well we have no red light cameras or photo radar here yet. As I said photo radar - no real fight. Red light cameras yes i will fight those critters! It is a business big business.  
 
Towns down south had the "providers" of these cameras take them out when the amber time was changed. Not enough coin" generated" to keep them.

memo

10/7/2010 5:17:20 AM
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there is no debate

  
Adam said "
  
Big Mamma said "
  
Adam said "There aren't any in Brandon... The tickets would've had to come in Wpg or another city that has photo radar. It's a common rumour that the camera at 34th and Vic is photo radar, but per previous threads that is false... The camera is related to the traffic detection system at that intersection. "

I noticed there is a camera looking thing at Kirkaldy and First is it a detection system also? "

I'm assuming so. There would be a big public awareness campaign/media circus if (when?) a ticket-giving camera is installed at intersections. The debate has come up a few times, and I'm sure will again... whether it's during of after the election. We do have a significant issue with late intersection entries in this city, and there will always be debate as to whether or not cameras would improve the situation.  
 
For an idea of where public opinion is on the issue, the poll below was run on eBrandon last year:  
 
Question: Would you support the implimentation of red light cameras at selected major Brandon intersections?  
 
Out of a total of 504 votes, the results were:  
No: 271 (54%)  
Yes, but only if startup and operational costs were minimal to the City: 119 (24%)  
Yes, even with substantial startup costs that could recouped over time: 114 (23%)  
 
Edited by Adam, 2010-10-06 15:21:30"

cameras in winnipeg have actually increased accidents at almost every intersection they're at except 2 mpi got the statistics and the wpg sun had a huge detailed writeup about the statistics showing that it really is just a money grab and not about safety

Bob George

10/7/2010 7:31:30 AM
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These are "red" light cameras, not yellow light

It's not hard to figure out when you entered, look at the pic and it shows you in the intersection with the RED light, and your speed. IMO, Considering the yellow lights are 3 seconds, there's no way you entered on the green.

Adam

10/7/2010 9:44:13 AM
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Red light running

Just for information's sake...  
I had a conversation about red light running with the head of traffic at BPS several months ago as part of some research I was doing. I was told that the definition of running a red light is that the vehicle has not cleared the intersection by the time the light turns red. The yellow light and when you enter the intersection have no impact on whether or not at ticket is issued (unless of course you enter on a red). The yellow is more or less there as a guide so that you know that the lights are transitioning to red and that you can get through before the light officially turns to red.  
 
A few personal observations on red light running...  
 
As mentioned in another post, I feel that we have a concerning issue in this city with a lack of respect for red lights. It is possible to enter an intersection just as a light is turning to yellow and still clear it before a red light hits. There are some people that push the envelope just enough and enter on a yellow even when they had time to stop. From my observations these people aren't the biggest problem. It's the car *after* that one that sees the initial vehicle pushing the envelope and feels that they're justified in doing the same. The problem is that the second vehicle is another split-second behind and ends up behind the one that causes the dangerous situation. If I were an officer, it's that second vehicle that I'd be giving a ticket to.

Bree

10/7/2010 11:01:10 AM
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Family Maintenance

I did work for Driver Licencing, and Family Maintenance actually does place restrictions on refusing to renew drivers licences and vehicle registration if you do not pay your child support.

Moheat

10/7/2010 11:41:29 AM
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Slow down?

Drive the speed limit?

BH

10/7/2010 8:44:47 PM
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the lights

You do not get a ticket unless the light is RED before you enter the intersection.  
 
You have 3 seconds from the time the light turns yellow til the time it turns red. The readings you got mean it was red for .6 seconds prior to you entering the intersection.  
 

-ZiGGY-

10/8/2010 11:56:59 AM
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Red Light

  
hollywood_me said "I have 3 witnesses that can also agree that the light was not yet amber when I crossed the line and had only changed to amber midway through the intersection. and no I was not travelling at 15 or 20 , I was doing the speed limit on portage avenue. I just feel that this whole thing is a huge money grab. just like the casino's they think manitoba really needs. but thats just an example on another topic. "

Witnesses? You mean you had 3 friends in your car that are all going to tell the Court the same thing you are? Good luck with that.  
 
No offence but it's called a red light camera for a reason. It takes pictures of licence plates of vehicles that break the beam after the light has turned red. It doesn't take pictures of vehicles in the intersection when the light is amber (yellow) otherwise it would be snapping pictures all day long.  
 
Considering you got 2 tickets shows that you definitely have a problem. Red light cameras in Winnipeg have been installed and issuing tickets for years. If there was a technicality or a glitch some brilliant lawyer would have found it by now. No offence but pay for your fine(s) and just pay better attention the next time you are cruising Portage Ave. Blowing lights causes accidents and could cause serious injuries to others that obey the traffic lights. Surely you are not in that much of a rush.  
 
 
 
Edited by -ZiGGY-, 2010-10-08 12:04:12

-ZiGGY-

10/8/2010 12:12:40 PM
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Officals

What does that have to do with you running red lights?  
 
It's going to suck driving to Winnipeg and having to pay $498 plus your time. All the best and hope you win

 
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