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Hman

7/20/2009 9:20:50 PM
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Treaty Cards?

I hear in Ottawa that treaty cards are shown and taxes are dropped. Never met any natives who bought a vehicle(brand new) in Ottawa. Does that include housing and vehicles over there? I keep searching on google for this information but cant make it out. Maybe?  
 
I got one but its for health, education, and a ID.

 
 
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The Real Mike

7/20/2009 9:34:43 PM
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http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/brgnls/stts-eng.html#heading16  
 
What I was able to summarize from the page is that if you buy goods on a reserve, or buy goods off a reserve and have them delivered to a reserve, then they are tax exempt. Otherwise, you need to pay the taxes on the items.

Bigg Poppa Pump

7/21/2009 1:29:33 PM
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Treaty Card

Last Treaty card I saw didn't even have a picture. Just name, DOB and Rez  
 
Up here in The Pas when you go through the Tim Horton's drive-thru they ask for your treaty number. It's kind of like in Brandon they ask you every day if you want a Breakfast sandwich. Up here it's what's your treaty number. They even ask the non natives and all you do is make up some 4 digit number and no tax on your double double!  
 
 
 
Edited by Bigg Poppa Pump, 2009-07-21 13:32:35

TheIllusion

7/21/2009 1:34:06 PM
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Bigg Poppa Pump said "Last Treaty card I saw didn't even have a picture. Just name, DOB and Rez  
 
Up here in The Pas when you go through the Tim Horton's drive-thru they ask for your treaty number. It's kind of like in Brandon they ask you every day if you want a Breakfast sandwich. Up here it's what's your treaty number. They even ask the non natives and all you do is make up some 4 digit number and no tax on your double double!  
 
 
 
Edited by Bigg Poppa Pump, 2009-07-21 13:32:35"

Really I'll remember that about the Tim Hortons, I'd love to not have to pay taxes too.

cmore

7/21/2009 2:36:16 PM
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treaty cards/status cards

In manitoba the only way you can use a TREATY CARD to be exempt tax ( PST)is if the item is being shipped to a reserve, or if the item is bought on reserve land. And I beleive Tim Hortons is on the The Pas reserve. ( Opaskweyak) Each province has their own laws on how the Treaty Card is used. And as far as I know the Card in Manitoba has to have a picture to be accurate and they also have an expirary date in order for one to update their picture.

Mela

7/21/2009 2:47:10 PM
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Bigg Poppa Pump said "Last Treaty card I saw didn't even have a picture. Just name, DOB and Rez  
 
Up here in The Pas when you go through the Tim Horton's drive-thru they ask for your treaty number. It's kind of like in Brandon they ask you every day if you want a Breakfast sandwich. Up here it's what's your treaty number. They even ask the non natives and all you do is make up some 4 digit number and no tax on your double double!  
 
 
 
Edited by Bigg Poppa Pump, 2009-07-21 13:32:35"

HAHAHA...kind of like in Brandon they ask you every day if you want a Breakfast sandwich. That's priceless.

* - * Nikki * - *

7/21/2009 5:01:06 PM
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The Pas

lol i drove through The Pas at Christmas and was caught off guard when the person at the drive through window asked for my number - i thought he was "asking for my phone number", i kept asking "pardon me?" lol then finally he said, "your treaty number?"

Ryan_M

7/21/2009 5:44:18 PM
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If they asked me

  
Bigg Poppa Pump said "Last Treaty card I saw didn't even have a picture. Just name, DOB and Rez  
 
Up here in The Pas when you go through the Tim Horton's drive-thru they ask for your treaty number. It's kind of like in Brandon they ask you every day if you want a Breakfast sandwich. Up here it's what's your treaty number. They even ask the non natives and all you do is make up some 4 digit number and no tax on your double double!  
 
 
 
Edited by Bigg Poppa Pump, 2009-07-21 13:32:35"

I would tell them I don't have one. We pay Taxes in Canada for good reasons, And the people who are exempt are exempt for good reasons.  
 
Obviously it's just a cup of coffee, but what if everyone tried to get out of paying taxes on larger ticket items?. It would be taking advantage.  
 
Just my opinion.

na

7/22/2009 12:56:16 AM
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Does anyone know the diffrence between a treaty card and a metis card?  
 

Metis_GIrl

7/22/2009 8:16:11 PM
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the difference

the difference is metis card is a membership to a the Manitoba metis federation or whatever each province calls it... treaty card is a government document/I.D that distinguishes status indians from the rest of canada. You get no benefit from a Metis card other than the pride of being apart of such a great group of people. I had to say it since I am a fellow Metis Card holder.

Ryan_M

7/23/2009 12:37:21 AM
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Not strictly true

  
Sheyenne_06 said "the difference is metis card is a membership to a the Manitoba metis federation or whatever each province calls it... treaty card is a government document/I.D that distinguishes status indians from the rest of canada. You get no benefit from a Metis card other than the pride of being apart of such a great group of people. I had to say it since I am a fellow Metis Card holder. "

A Metis card can get you funding for school, Special hunting and fishing rights, Special consideration for jobs...etc.  
 
No other province has a Metis federation, only Manitoba.

Jack 003

7/23/2009 5:14:23 AM
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Treaty Cards

Isn't treating people differently because of skin color racism??

Ryan_M

7/23/2009 5:49:20 AM
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If your ancestors

  
Jack 003 said "Isn't treating people differently because of skin color racism?? "

were just sitting around, minding their own business, and people from another country came and took their land, killed their brothers, and stole their freedom. You wouldn't expect anything in return? It's not about Race. It's about Rights. Skin colour doesn't play into it.

TheIllusion

7/23/2009 8:40:21 AM
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This is a risky subject but... I agree that coming and stealing land, killing people and all of that is bad. But for everyone to pay for something we didnt actually do or couldn't stop isn't really fair. And on another note (and please dont take this as racist because it's not meant to be), but aren't treaty cards and everything just a detriment to the First Nation culture?

Bigg Poppa Pump

7/23/2009 8:48:53 AM
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Wow

  
Ryan_M said "
  
Jack 003 said "Isn't treating people differently because of skin color racism?? "

were just sitting around, minding their own business, and people from another country came and took their land, killed their brothers, and stole their freedom. You wouldn't expect anything in return? It's not about Race. It's about Rights. Skin colour doesn't play into it. "

Easy now let's not get carried away.  
 
That's taking it a little far.

Cheeky Chuck

7/23/2009 8:58:23 AM
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Paying rent

  
Jack 003 said "Isn't treating people differently because of skin color racism?? "

Canada was founded on treaties. The Crown made a legally binding contract with the first nations that they would provide certain services to these nations for the use of the land and resources. It is a lease that has no expiry date initiated by the Crown. those who feel that treaties should be abolished consider this. If your grandfather rented out a property to a family and now, 75 years later the family decided that they had paid rent long enough and that they should no longer pay, would you agree with that? It is the same thing. The Canadian government is paying rent on the land, it does not own it.

DV

7/23/2009 9:15:15 AM
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Not strictly true.....

  
Ryan_M said "
  
Sheyenne_06 said "the difference is metis card is a membership to a the Manitoba metis federation or whatever each province calls it... treaty card is a government document/I.D that distinguishes status indians from the rest of canada. You get no benefit from a Metis card other than the pride of being apart of such a great group of people. I had to say it since I am a fellow Metis Card holder. "

A Metis card can get you funding for school, Special hunting and fishing rights, Special consideration for jobs...etc.  
 
No other province has a Metis federation, only Manitoba. "

Other areas do have Metis Federations, and of course many other Metis groups that refer to themselves as something other than a "Federation". I believe there is one in Alberta, Saskatoon has the Central Urban Metis Federation, and my wife is a member of the Pacific Metis Federation in British Columbia.  
There are some various "considerations" given Metis people but they do not require that you present a card.

DV

7/23/2009 9:25:38 AM
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Bigg Poppa Pump said "
  
Ryan_M said "
  
Jack 003 said "Isn't treating people differently because of skin color racism?? "

were just sitting around, minding their own business, and people from another country came and took their land, killed their brothers, and stole their freedom. You wouldn't expect anything in return? It's not about Race. It's about Rights. Skin colour doesn't play into it. "

Easy now let's not get carried away.  
 
That's taking it a little far. "

Ryan_M is certainly not getting carried away.  
The town my grandfather called home was burned to the ground, their dogs were shot, etc, etc.  
All because it was the wish of the government and it happened right here in friendly MB.

Minarai

7/23/2009 9:56:58 AM
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Since this is kind of getting off topic...

and going back to the OP, to answer your question Hman33, certain items purchased can be tax exempt but must be purchased on a reserve OR delivered to an address on a reserve. You can't just go into any store in any city, show your card, and not pay the tax.  
 
And depending on your band, you may be eligible to get funding for a post-secondary education. Also certain medication prescriptions may be covered by Indian and Northern Affairs Canada.  
 
And every card should have a picture of the individual to make it a legal document and valid.  
 
If you need more information, you can contact the Winnipeg branch of Indian and Northern Affairs Canada at 275 Portage Ave - 2nd Floor. Or you can check out the website http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/ai/pubs/ywtk/ywtk-eng.asp to find out more about federal programs and services.  
 
Edited by Minarai, 2009-07-23 10:22:56

Bigg Poppa Pump

7/23/2009 11:29:04 AM
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Well

  
DV said "
  
Bigg Poppa Pump said "
  
Ryan_M said "
  
Jack 003 said "Isn't treating people differently because of skin color racism?? "

were just sitting around, minding their own business, and people from another country came and took their land, killed their brothers, and stole their freedom. You wouldn't expect anything in return? It's not about Race. It's about Rights. Skin colour doesn't play into it. "

Easy now let's not get carried away.  
 
That's taking it a little far. "

Ryan_M is certainly not getting carried away.  
The town my grandfather called home was burned to the ground, their dogs were shot, etc, etc.  
All because it was the wish of the government and it happened right here in friendly MB. "

What year was this 1912?  
 
Actually there is a lot more to Treaty's then just land claims and trading Uncle Ernie's beaver pellet for a bottle of hooch.  
 
But I think the discussion here is not about how the natives have been taken advantage of and all the pain the white man has caused. So we better not take it off topic.  
 
Edited by Bigg Poppa Pump, 2009-07-23 11:33:31

JakeBanman

7/23/2009 11:51:28 AM
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Edited by JakeBanman, 2009-07-23 11:55:18

ICYMI

7/23/2009 12:04:31 PM
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? ? ?

Really? My wife only gets the odd Prescription filled for free. I suppose on occasion we save a few pennies on gas on our way to Winnipeg.  
 
But too much? Hell they wouldn't even cover any of her Post secondary education costs.

na

7/23/2009 12:10:46 PM
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treaty

it's not about skin color at all, go back in history brother

Minarai

7/23/2009 12:27:29 PM
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It always makes me laugh out loud...

  
123 said "
  
Hman33 said "I hear in Ottawa that treaty cards are shown and taxes are dropped. Never met any natives who bought a vehicle(brand new) in Ottawa. Does that include housing and vehicles over there? I keep searching on google for this information but cant make it out. Maybe?  
 
I got one but its for health, education, and a ID. "

not to be racist or anything,but people who treaty card already get too much "

whenever someone starts a sentence with the words: "Not to be racist or anything BUT..." or "I'm not racist or anything BUT..." as an excuse or a justification for whatever comments that come after the "BUT"! You might as well and go ahead and make the comment. It's not like a "get out of jail for free" card!

Brenda

7/23/2009 12:28:30 PM
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and its time

to be a proud citizen of Canada and go to school, work, pay taxes and have some pride. Instead of blaming everything on the white man, that me, my father or grandfather had no part of. I know the treaties are there, but just think how much you could accomplish if they weren't. Right now, they get used as an excuse constantly. I know some very bright, hardworking natives and I would love to see some more. I see a study in the paper yesterday were 69% of inmates in Manitoba are native. Lets change that!

1boy1girl

7/23/2009 12:53:32 PM
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how to you get a treaty card?? if you have a metis card

my husband has a metis card , his father has his treaty card , is he able to get a treaty card ?? anyone have any idea how this works ??  

DV

7/23/2009 1:46:34 PM
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Bigg Poppa Pump said "
  
DV said "
  
Bigg Poppa Pump said "
  
Ryan_M said "
  
Jack 003 said "Isn't treating people differently because of skin color racism?? "

were just sitting around, minding their own business, and people from another country came and took their land, killed their brothers, and stole their freedom. You wouldn't expect anything in return? It's not about Race. It's about Rights. Skin colour doesn't play into it. "

Easy now let's not get carried away.  
 
That's taking it a little far. "

Ryan_M is certainly not getting carried away.  
The town my grandfather called home was burned to the ground, their dogs were shot, etc, etc.  
All because it was the wish of the government and it happened right here in friendly MB. "

What year was this 1912?  
 
Actually there is a lot more to Treaty's then just land claims and trading Uncle Ernie's beaver pellet for a bottle of hooch.  
 
But I think the discussion here is not about how the natives have been taken advantage of and all the pain the white man has caused. So we better not take it off topic.  
 
Edited by Bigg Poppa Pump, 2009-07-23 11:33:31"

It was in the late 30's early 40's, but that's irrelevant except that it indicates how recently these things occured  
 
Here's a snippet from a review of a book written about Ste. Madeleine, and a link to the review...  
 
"The destruction of Ste. Madeleine between 1938 and 1941 should be seen as another example of the Canadian policy of repression, assimilation and dispersal of its native peoples. These recent cases are not documented in the mainstream histories or by white Canadians who smugly perpetuate the myth that such experiences occurred in South Africa or the Soviet Union but not in a twentieth century democratic Canada."  
It is rather unfortunate that the authors did not supplement their interviews with other available research materials, specifically Métis genealogies, parish files, and government and municipal records, to further substantiate the case of Ste. Madeleine. Some historical inaccuracies, such as a reference to (Bishop) Tache at Batoche in 1885, are inexcusable. On the other hand, the use of photographs effectively illustrates the themes of kinship and community that were inherent to Métis society.  
 
In terms of oral history methodology, there were many “leading questions.” The inquiry is also more sociological than historical. There is, however, an effective use of a cross-examination in the interview with the French-Canadian Lazare Fouillard, son of the late Ben Fouillard of St. Lazare, one of the municipal councillors denounced by the Métis. Interestingly enough and much to his credit, Lazare Fouillard acknowledges the injustices and discrimination of those years. He candidly admits that the ultimate objective of PFRA was “to drive out the Métis.” People used to say: “Let’s get them bloody Breeds out of there and have some work.” Fouillard comments, however, that “today we don’t think that way ... Things are different now.”  
 
As for staying on topic...If someone says something and I have a response, I don't give a rats a$$ what our original topic was. Leave that to the censors.  
 
http://www.mhs.mb.ca/docs/mb_history/17/stemadeleine.shtml

Ryan_M

7/23/2009 2:02:29 PM
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I didn't know that

  
DV said "
  
Ryan_M said "
  
Sheyenne_06 said "the difference is metis card is a membership to a the Manitoba metis federation or whatever each province calls it... treaty card is a government document/I.D that distinguishes status indians from the rest of canada. You get no benefit from a Metis card other than the pride of being apart of such a great group of people. I had to say it since I am a fellow Metis Card holder. "

A Metis card can get you funding for school, Special hunting and fishing rights, Special consideration for jobs...etc.  
 
No other province has a Metis federation, only Manitoba. "

Other areas do have Metis Federations, and of course many other Metis groups that refer to themselves as something other than a "Federation". I believe there is one in Alberta, Saskatoon has the Central Urban Metis Federation, and my wife is a member of the Pacific Metis Federation in British Columbia.  
There are some various "considerations" given Metis people but they do not require that you present a card. "

Thanks for the info.  
 

Hman

7/23/2009 2:09:54 PM
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I wouldn't know that....

  
123 said "
  
Hman33 said "I hear in Ottawa that treaty cards are shown and taxes are dropped. Never met any natives who bought a vehicle(brand new) in Ottawa. Does that include housing and vehicles over there? I keep searching on google for this information but cant make it out. Maybe?  
 
I got one but its for health, education, and a ID. "

not to be racist or anything,but people who treaty card already get too much "

Because I never personally paid for my education, glasses and prescriptions. If I did how ever, I might think so. But I'm not much into being offended if someone thinks that.

Bigg Poppa Pump

7/23/2009 2:18:48 PM
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Sweet deal!

  
Hman33 said "
  
123 said "
  
Hman33 said "I hear in Ottawa that treaty cards are shown and taxes are dropped. Never met any natives who bought a vehicle(brand new) in Ottawa. Does that include housing and vehicles over there? I keep searching on google for this information but cant make it out. Maybe?  
 
I got one but its for health, education, and a ID. "

not to be racist or anything,but people who treaty card already get too much "

Because I never personally paid for my education, glasses and prescriptions. If I did how ever, I might think so. But I'm not much into being offended if someone thinks that. "

That's awesome.  
 
I paid for my education, house, car and all the other things I have with my job. I think it's given me self worth and pride. I don't mind paying taxes as I get a lot from the Government too. Health care being one of the important ones. Although I am pretty health and don't use it much now but I am only 32 yrs old so I may need it someday.  
 

 
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