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Farmers Feed the World

4/16/2018 12:17:13 PM
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Kinder Morgan pipeline debacle

So in typical socialist thinking they kick the can down the road long enough a private company decides to pull out. Then Trudeau proposes financing the pipeline with tax payers money. How about you lead justin and put bc in its place.

70`s guy

4/16/2018 6:13:16 PM
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Jul 2010
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Canada

Risks becoming a country where no mining/oil companies will want to invest in because there are just too many groups and government bodies to please and answer to. I don't know the end story, but this "Kinder Morgan" fiasco may well play out as the straw that broke the camels back. Canada should be open for business to encourage investments and development of our natural resources as it creates much of our country's prosperity, jobs and wealth for Canadians as a whole. What's going on now is shameful and very dangerous.A strong Canada is a Canada that is open for business and exploration by private and public corporations. Otherwise, if we shut the door to economic prosperity, then we become a "have-not" country that will go bankrupt in short order or will have to implement some serious "austerity measures" that will hurt all Canadians, especially those that oppose new developments. I really think a lot of Canadians don't understand the implications to themselves and their communities should businesses shy away from Canadian mining and oil opportunities. I don't like Trudeau, but I think that even he realizes the importance of these projects. He's got his work cut out and hopefully he'll persevere and see this through to fruition and not turtle to the pressures. Canada's economic future is at stake!

Doug

4/17/2018 12:55:12 AM
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Mar 2005
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Dropped

The Feds including Harper has dropped the ball. Special interests have too much sway. In this case like Energy east though the Provinces are selfish. In both cases the two provinces forget that not just the oil will flow one way or another but it is in the National interest economy wise. If these clowns thinking was around when we built a national railway or The TransCanada highway where would we be? BC wants the benefits of gasoline and other fluids with out much heavy lifting. The little they let through now serve them. Alberta wants to export product so other than BC ites use it. Also make By products like medical supplies and Jobs related to fossil fuels. In the end both provinces are NIMBYS.

RichardL

4/17/2018 6:09:03 AM
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Aug 2012
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Trudeau

He has failed us all on so many levels it’s not funny. Ruining our economy is just a single step in his globalist agenda.

Muppet

4/17/2018 11:54:48 AM
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Sep 2008
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seriously

  
RichardL said "He has failed us all on so many levels it’s not funny. Ruining our economy is just a single step in his globalist agenda. "

are you serious? Canada had solid economic growth in 2017 @ 3.1% and they are predicting growth to slow but still be solid at 2.2% this year.  
 
Canada has been able to survive the crazy oil market.  
 
Harper guided Canada's growth to 1.6% the lowest of any Prime Minister.

MrDobalina

4/17/2018 12:57:21 PM
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Jun 2017
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Uh...I think we'll be O.K

No one is ever going to "NOT INVEST" in a mine or in oil as long as the price is there. How quickly do you think these things get done? I also think there are a lot of arm chair pundits who have a lot of opinions...until it comes to there back yard. Build a pipeline..SURE!! build a casino downtown Brandon...WAIT A MINUTE!!  
 
Build a pipeline carrying crude oil? Sure!! Build an urban reserve in your town? Wait a minute!!!  
 
Build a pipeline carrying crude oil? SURE!!! Build a hog plant 10 miles outside of town?...Wait a minute!!!  
 
Not to mention why would you? what do I get for having a pipeline run through my province/municipality? nothing...a little bit of rent, etc but none of the "MILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars a lot of you seem to think a pipeline generates (it doesn't)...but what do I get when the pipe bursts in a remote area? Ask the guys down in New Orleans how things went after the BP pipe broke in the gulf.

CDN

4/17/2018 5:50:59 PM
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Jul 2013
Total posts:162
What do we get

Manitoba is set to receive more than $2 billion in equalization payments in the fiscal year that starts in March, up 11 per cent — or $217 million — from the current year.  
 
We are a poor providence. This does not come from Ontario or Quebec

MrDobalina

4/17/2018 6:34:52 PM
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Jun 2017
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Our transfer payments don’t come from Alberta

Pipeline has almost zero impact on our equalization payments

Desoto Firedome

4/17/2018 7:19:31 PM
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Dec 2007
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I Don't know for sure

I don't know for sure about how the pipeline effects transfer payments but something sticks out at me. All these protesters against pipelines and developing oil resources show up to the protest in fossil fuel burning vehicles. It would be a lot less hypocritical on their parts if they all drove electric cars or rode bicycles.  
I think Alberta and Saskatchewan are on the right track when they say they won't be sending any oil to BC.  
If they think oil is so bad then they should lead by example and don't use any.

CDN

4/17/2018 8:06:19 PM
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Jul 2013
Total posts:162
Where does it come from

So just how much money has flowed out of Alberta to Ottawa? A lot. Between 2000 and 2014, on a net basis, Alberta’s individual and corporate taxpayers shipped an estimated $200 billion-plus to the federal government.  
 
They don’t have that many cows

MrDobalina

4/18/2018 7:16:22 AM
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Jun 2017
Total posts:141
I agree with that

  
Desoto Firedome said "I don't know for sure about how the pipeline effects transfer payments but something sticks out at me. All these protesters against pipelines and developing oil resources show up to the protest in fossil fuel burning vehicles. It would be a lot less hypocritical on their parts if they all drove electric cars or rode bicycles.  
I think Alberta and Saskatchewan are on the right track when they say they won't be sending any oil to BC.  
If they think oil is so bad then they should lead by example and don't use any. "

I've always found that frustrating. I was watching the "Inconvient truth sequel" on the weekend and Al Gore was in India trying to get them to limit their coal use...after awhile the Indian delegate just says "Can I be frank? With all do respect we will reduce our coal plants in 150 years, just like you did. When we've attained the quality of life you have after 150 years of cheap energy we will invest in renewables"  
 
I also agree with the whole Alberta/Saskatchewan response...I also think OPEC should respond in kind...Oil isn't important? Pay $3/litre for your gasoline and I'll ask you that question again in 3 months.

Hayfield

4/21/2018 8:28:18 AM
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Apr 2011
Total posts:162
running a huge deficit to grow economy

I hope people don't think borrowing money to grow the economy is good management. The Liberals are selling our future to throw their own personal spending party. They will all be able to live quite comfortably on their gold plated pensions and we will be left paying the bill.

Hey!

4/22/2018 9:30:55 AM
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Sep 2010
Total posts:123
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A socialist system refers to collective ownership. I’m not sure how that applies here.

ronfay

4/22/2018 2:34:19 PM
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Oct 2006
Total posts:544
So,

there are only two options here: 100%, or 100% against? Seems pretty arbitrary to me. Going on a diet doesn't include stopping eating altogether. Looking at the issues, there's a lot of grey here. I think advocating for reducing doesn't require people to go back to wearing furs and living in caves. Too bad too many of our issues these days are binary, as this tends to limit or restrict discussion of the issues, which is what we should all be doing.

Dare

4/23/2018 11:07:48 AM
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Jul 2007
Total posts:590
I applaud the BC gov't stance

BC has every right to refuse that pipleline. 60-70% of their overall employment comes from tourism jobs in the province. As soon as a pipeline spill happens (and it will happen) there is no technology or money that can ever clean it up properly. Their tourism industry will take a massive blow. It's not worth the risk. Besides heavy oil will be a thing of the past in 20 years. It's simply too expensive to mine & process compared to light/sweet oil.

 
 
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