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Farmers Feed the World

7/7/2018 8:45:10 AM
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Trudeau's groping story

Now that the story has been confirmed by the victim I'm at a loss here. Trump talks about grabbing a women and its the lead story on the news around the world. The PC leader during the ontario election was forced to resign because of ACCUSATIONS.  
 
Now the victim in Trudeaus case has come forward issued a statement confirming the act occurred posted her name and the same kind of shame and condemnation isn't applied to Trudeau.  
 
What if more women come forward? Usually with these kinds of things where there is smoke there's fire.

Getty

7/7/2018 8:58:41 AM
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hmm...

So was the PC leader accused he did it while he was running as a leader or seeking to run for election?  
 
Thought Justin's accusations was decades ago?

Farmers Feed the World

7/7/2018 9:17:08 AM
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...

He was leader of the PC party in ontario and was accused during the election on events that happened years earlier. Media and sjw forced him to resign.

ZachT

7/7/2018 10:23:55 AM
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Why

Is this being brought up now???? This happened 18 years ago. According to the news stories that I've read, he apologized the next day. If there was an issue with it, she should have done something right away. And no, I'm not a JT supporter in the least.

Hey!

7/7/2018 10:38:22 AM
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.

To my knowledge the victim hasn’t come forward due to it being an anonymous statement.

gillymc

7/7/2018 11:22:13 AM
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She made a statement yesterday

Oryx

7/7/2018 11:28:44 AM
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Yawn...

18 years ago...if it were that big of a deal she should have reported it sooner.

Brenda..

7/7/2018 11:33:05 AM
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exactly

  
Oryx said "18 years ago...if it were that big of a deal she should have reported it sooner. "

couldn't have bothered her that much, not to bother to mention it until 18 years later. Also, 18 years ago, he was then a well known name.

weatherman harry potter

7/7/2018 11:53:12 AM
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not the case.

From what I understand it was an old article or something another reporter dug up and published recently. The victim, after many accusations of lying, etc. Came forward to claim it was true since Trudeau kept claiming there was nothing to it, or he couldn’t recall it etc. For someone who says he’s a champion of women his response to this has been appalling. I don’t think he should resign but what he’s doing right now isn’t working for him. Admitting with an apology would likely go a long way. Keep in mind that she is the victim. Even if she decided to report it now, she is still the victim. It’s valid whether it happened yesterday or 18 years ago.

myhandleistrain

7/7/2018 12:58:57 PM
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The real problem

I think the issue people are having is the standards that Mr. Trudeau has set and been very vocal about. Don't quote me, but I believe they include, "all women must be believed, a man has to take responsibility for even past occurrences, zero tolerance for univited, inappropriate actions/behaviour." It seems that he may be backpedelling now as she has come out yesterday and confirmed, in her mind, it was inappropriate. At the time it happened, I have to believe he felt so too as he tried to apologize. I don't think this issue is going to go away soon. Where there's smoke, there's probably more fire.

artsylikes

7/7/2018 2:24:43 PM
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The victim was the journalist

Who has since left journalism and felt pressure from the media to make a statement.  
 
She is not bringing any new accusations up and doesn’t want to discuss it any further.  
 
It’s the media and public who are stirring the pot, this was in the past as far as she was concerned. Read the article again.

Trevor B

7/7/2018 3:53:35 PM
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18 years

ago he did hold any political positions. He was known because of his Dad. 18 years later it's brought up to do damage, where as then it wouldn't of done much.

summergal

7/7/2018 6:23:11 PM
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....

I think what annoyed me the most was that he said in his view what he did was fine and that her view might be different. Does this not seem like a bad precedent, to have such a powerful person saying well I thought what I did was ok too bad she didn’t feel the same way. Couldn’t any person who sexually harasses/abuses say this if a prime minister does and gets away with it.  
 
Also his apology all those years ago basically was sorry, if I realized you were in media (and this story could get out) I wouldn’t have done it.

Hackeda

7/7/2018 8:51:54 PM
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His apology

  
summergal said "I think what annoyed me the most was that he said in his view what he did was fine and that her view might be different. Does this not seem like a bad precedent, to have such a powerful person saying well I thought what I did was ok too bad she didn’t feel the same way. Couldn’t any person who sexually harasses/abuses say this if a prime minister does and gets away with it.  
 
Also his apology all those years ago basically was sorry, if I realized you were in media (and this story could get out) I wouldn’t have done it. "

His apology is garbage.  
 
When people stop justifying this inappropriate behaviour from all men (and women), then things might have a chance to change for the better.  
 
How does his apology make any sense? He wouldn''t have done it if he knew she was in media?  
 
If a woman is raped but the man says "Oh, I thought it was ok with her but I guess she had a different view of it", that is ok because isn''t that what he is saying about his groping?  
 
It''s a sad state we''re in when we continually allow the crap behaviour of men (and women) over and over again. Just because time has passed doesn''t make a difference.  
 
My God people, stop thinking you''re so entitled as to be allowed to do whatever you want to another human being whenever you want.  
 
So many predators continue to be supported by people that I can barely relate to the human race anymore.  
 
 
It''s wrong. Stay out of the grey area.  
 
Edited by Hackeda, 2018-07-07 20:53:04

Hackeda

7/7/2018 8:58:04 PM
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Standards

  
myhandleistrain said "I think the issue people are having is the standards that Mr. Trudeau has set and been very vocal about. Don't quote me, but I believe they include, "all women must be believed, a man has to take responsibility for even past occurrences, zero tolerance for univited, inappropriate actions/behaviour." It seems that he may be backpedelling now as she has come out yesterday and confirmed, in her mind, it was inappropriate. At the time it happened, I have to believe he felt so too as he tried to apologize. I don't think this issue is going to go away soon. Where there's smoke, there's probably more fire. "

I think you're absolutely right. Backpedalling for sure. Hopefully there's not more fire.

JR

7/7/2018 11:04:20 PM
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...

To all of the right wingers upset at Trudeau, I have just two words for you - Donald Trump. Care to explain how he's still in office if a SINGLE incident by JT is so abhorrent?

Farmers Feed the World

7/8/2018 5:15:13 AM
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...

Trump has his problems to no doubt. Trudeau championed himself as an upholder of human rights. Came down hard on people in his own party when accusations came forward. These arnt accusations, this is true with proof from a women who gave her name.  
 
As a father if one of my kids was treated like that while they were doing their job I be beyond mad. Trudeau thought he was above her and only apologized when he found out she worked for the press.  
 
Moral of the story is people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

summergal

7/8/2018 7:27:38 AM
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....

  
JR said "To all of the right wingers upset at Trudeau, I have just two words for you - Donald Trump. Care to explain how he's still in office if a SINGLE incident by JT is so abhorrent? "

Who cares about Donald Trump. We are a different country with a Prime Minister who calls out others for inappropriate behaviour but only makes a lame apology for his same behaviour. Americans knew before the election what an awful guy Trump is and still voted him in.

Simonwalcal

7/8/2018 8:29:52 AM
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. . .

  
JR said "To all of the right wingers upset at Trudeau, I have just two words for you - Donald Trump. Care to explain how he's still in office if a SINGLE incident by JT is so abhorrent? "

Apples and oranges.  
 
Unless Trudeau has 6 or 7 such claims in his past (not even counting everything else), we're talking 2 very different people.  
 
Not that I am standing up for the man, or at all diminishing the story of the accuser. At this point, I'm not sure what to make of it.  
 
Though it seems to be coming across more as a rather convenient "gotcha!" than as a helpful gesture to the victim. Having had an eye on the CPC twitter feed since Scheer took office, such tacts would not surprise me in the slightest.

Doug

7/8/2018 12:26:02 PM
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Past

  
artsylikes said "Who has since left journalism and felt pressure from the media to make a statement.  
 
She is not bringing any new accusations up and doesn’t want to discuss it any further.  
 
It’s the media and public who are stirring the pot, this was in the past as far as she was concerned. Read the article again. "

Yes. I see the Calgary media are playing up the angle that if she did not want it brought up again it should be her right. She is being a victim again. Sorry but once a story goes public it is public forever. 2000 was long ago. For anyone that saw the Cosby gong show that many years ago was irrelevant. The fact that he has fired mp's for less is not relevant. What is though is he not her do not own their past in this case. If she cares not to share fine. Being revictimized? Nope. She made it public back then. As for Justin now his past is open to discussion when it was a reported media event. I feel both Justin and this girl have handled this well.

valia

7/8/2018 12:29:24 PM
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Seriously

If I look back on my career in a male dominated workplace, I can tell you that it came with the territory! I made it clear that I was not pleased and to piss off. Enuf said.

Pasquale

7/8/2018 1:04:31 PM
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Sep 2017
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I work

In a male dominated job. I can dish it out and take it. It’s just a joke to us all. None of us would cross the line and we don’t get offended by anything. However some accusations and blatant disrespect for the opposite sex I’ve been hearing about cross that line. To be honest with you, these things get blown out of proportion when every single thing that is said or done gets taken out of context.

Robbie

7/8/2018 2:56:26 PM
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My thoughts

I am not in favor of any party but Justin did acknowledge that if this lady did see it as different than he did at the time, then that's what it was to her and that's what matters.. or did you Justin haters miss that?  
The only purpose in bringing up something that two people forgot about, that happened 20 years, is only politically motivated to try and do damage to someone you hate.

Milky Whey

7/9/2018 7:07:41 PM
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Jul 2010
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18 years ago??

How old was Justin when this happened??  
Two???

70`s guy

7/11/2018 6:09:28 AM
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Bang on!

  
myhandleistrain said "I think the issue people are having is the standards that Mr. Trudeau has set and been very vocal about. Don't quote me, but I believe they include, "all women must be believed, a man has to take responsibility for even past occurrences, zero tolerance for univited, inappropriate actions/behaviour." It seems that he may be backpedelling now as she has come out yesterday and confirmed, in her mind, it was inappropriate. At the time it happened, I have to believe he felt so too as he tried to apologize. I don't think this issue is going to go away soon. Where there's smoke, there's probably more fire. "

The standard that Trudeau set is the real story. "Support and ALWAYS believe the woman's' story" is what he preached around the world. After using this measuring stick to oust men from their political positions he's now changing his vocabulary on a "sexual misconduct" story to be more in line with "Two people may interpret the same incident totally different". He walked down a dangerous path with his claim to always believe the women no matter what, and now he has accusations of his own. Video says it all. Regarding sexual misconduct allegations, one standard for all, most of the time, lol!  
https://www.facebook.com/ElectConservatives/videos/2055101424741963/

 
 
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