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Happygirl

12/21/2010 8:51:10 PM
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Needing tips for training an untrainable puppy! HELP!

We have a nine month old bichon shitzu puppy who we are having ALOT of trouble training. When we first got him he seemed pretty good and that he was on the right track but he just has gone down hill. Now he is peeing EVERYWHERE ... couches, blankets, floors, beds, pillows! We dont know what else to do... and another big problem is that he doesnt seem to really let us know when he needs out...doesnt bark or have any sure signs that he needs out and when we take him out on our own (every few hrs , ne barely ever pees outside)If anyone has any tips or anything that could help us we would REALLY appreciate it!!!! And does anyone know if these types of dogs are particularly hard to train or any ideas why we are having such a hard time?!?!

 
 
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crazy4shoes

12/21/2010 8:58:50 PM
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I have one too

I have a shitzu pup thats about 3 months old. He was doing great going on his puppy pads and going outside. But since it snowed he quit going outside. (Dont blame him either LOL) I have about 4 pads around my house, three in the living room and one by my bed. He goes on them all the time and doesnt have accidents. They are located near the furniture so that if he has to go, he goes on them. I also have pet stairs for my bed, so that he doesnt pee on it. (he was going on the bed because it wsas too big for him to get up and down, so since we got the stairs he uses them).  
 
I have found that he doesnt bark or notify me if he needs to use the bathroom, so the pads solved the problem. If he poops on the floor, i put it on the mat, and show him to go there. SInce then he doesnt poop on the floor and goes stictly on the mat. Sure the pup will have an accident or two they are puppies but this has stopped most of the problems.  
 
ALso reward the small progresses, because they will be more then likely to go if they know they will get a treat  
 
My mom also told me she knows many pet owners with small dogs that dont go outside in the winter, and just have these training pads.  
 
Good Luck

nononsense

12/21/2010 9:08:51 PM
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we

have an 11 month old female shitzu bichon and she is very good. We initially trained her to ring the bell to go outside which she did and then when she learned to walk on her leash, we took her for several walks a day. I also taught her to pee on command when she was a puppy. She now has her routine for peeing and pooping. She goes for a pee usually 4 times a day and poop 2 times a day. I will still use the pee on command if I take her out and it is really cold. I say her name and pee over and over until she pees and then I get all excited for her and take her in for a treat. I remember when I was first training her I took her out several times a day. Not as easy when it is cold out but maybe they will learn quicker that way. I would try to get him/her to pee on command.

ahrens

12/22/2010 10:35:41 AM
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puppy pads are a bad idea....

All puppy pads do to a dogs psychy is tell then that it is ok to urinate indoors. We had a lot of trouble with our golden retriever at first.  
 
We ended up taking him outside every 2 or 3 hours and staying out there until he did the deed, and when he did he got a treat and a bunch of pets and praise.  
 
When your dogs does go to the bathroom outside use the words "good" and "pee" to try to get them to associate going outdoors with a good thing.  
 
Our golden now will walk to the door and then look back at us like he's sayin "right now lets go"  
 

fuzzy slippers

12/22/2010 10:44:45 AM
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Our 6mth old

puppy now cries at the door to go out, WOW. We always tell him "go out and make a pee" and when he does we give him a small treat. Dogs are food driven so little treats go a long way in training. We have also shovelled paths in the yard so he can run and has a clear area for doing his business. It takes time but you have to be persistant, go outside with the puppy and tell him to pee, when he does take him in and give him a treat. I know you probably don't want to go outside but it really is the only way to get him to pee on command.

shadowpix

12/22/2010 11:05:50 AM
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this is unlikely

but you may want to get him checked for a urinary tract infection.  
If there's no infection, take him outside frequently and say "go pee" then wait till he goes and praise, reward etc. If he refuses to go, put him in a crate when you get back inside. Don't let him out till you take him outside again. Repeat process. That way he isn't just waiting to get back inside to do his business. Crating is the most effective aid in house training.

LuvMyBoys

12/22/2010 11:11:07 AM
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Neutered?

Has he been neutered yet? He may be marking.

whoknows

12/22/2010 11:20:18 AM
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Training.

I'm having problems training my pup too. We let the pup out every hour, staying out until everything is done then go back in to find an accident 20 minutes later. We're also having problems crate training as pup whines for a good 20 minutes after going in. We've tried treats, toys, praise, soothing, just walking away, not using it as punishment, differnt places in the house etc.. Nothing seems to work.

Lauren Pentecost

12/22/2010 11:23:18 AM
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solution!

I've never used puppy pads, only newspaper and have had 5 successfully trained dogs within a matter of days!  
But as u've already been using puppy pads your going to have to use them instead of paper. Have only 1 by the door to the garden or wherever your wanting them to go outside. When its wet change it you need to make the next one smaller when its wet change it, make it smaller, soon it will be too small and even though they'll try and aim at it they won't aim good enough but don't tell them off. Clean it up and put a new pad outside right by the door where they can see it,  
Some dogs will start to use it outside and you'll have to cut it down and down insize and then take it away completely, some won't use it at all outside but will use the garden! It does work. My collie took 2 days others a couple more but all 5 less than a week! Good luck  
 
Edited by Lauren Pentecost, 2010-12-22 11:26:16

Deposit.Change

12/22/2010 11:43:38 AM
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Throw a Party!

Everytime your pup does his business outside, make sure to reward him with TONS of praise, excitement, treats - throw a dang party!  
 
My yorkie/papillon pup at the time got the idea very quickly.. he even tried to fake it a few times to get praise after that even if he didn't have to go.. sneaky bugger!  
 
And on a related note, my parents' purebred bichon (he's 14 now!) took a lot of patience and repetitive action before he got the idea... but he did get it!  
 
Edited by Deposit.Change, 2010-12-22 11:44:46

Fadgette

12/22/2010 12:00:42 PM
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I didn't believe it worked but it did

Kennel training... A few months back I had bought a pug puppy for my unborn daughter! I had come on here to ask how to train this puppy and alot of people recommended kennel training... I had heard that before but was stubborn about doing that because I felt as if I was locking up the pup for no reason in the pup's mind! But I gave it a whirl and I happy to say that I am a proud owner of a trained puppy! Now my puppy goes in "Her home" for no reason! You just can't treat the kennel as a punishment because you would be giving your cute pup mixed signals! I noticed a difference in a couple of days! But you have to be firm and right when you come home let your pup out and take it for a walk... every time you leave the house,go to sleep etc you put puppy in there... I guarentee it will work.. you just have to be firm about it! Good luck!!

horsehead dog

12/27/2010 4:59:54 PM
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Jul 2010
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NO

NO dog is untrainable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's always the owner! Look at if a different way then YOU will get it then your DOG wil get it!!

bigmoe

12/27/2010 5:12:54 PM
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praise

when you praise your dog it must be instantaneous so the deed is associated with the praise. If you praise the dog even 10 seconds later he has no clue what he's being praised for. Same thing if you give him heck, it's got to be really fast.

Ling Cod

12/27/2010 5:47:52 PM
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May 2010
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9 months....

not exactly a puppy. I would gt him checked by a vet and if thats ok start putting him outside every half hour. Pee pads are a bad idea. Just toss him out every half hour or 20 minutes until he pees and then bring him in. This has worked for us numerous times.

mitibimaab

12/27/2010 8:23:18 PM
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Is he neutered??

This is really important. Caesar had an episode today dealing with this specifically. At approx 8 months old, male puppies reach their sexual prime - they should be 'responsibly' mated by a breeder or neutered. This 'sexual prime' leads to marking and becoming territorial. The ep will be repeated overnight tonight if you have a pvr.

Gilly

12/29/2010 8:42:15 AM
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Dec 2010
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good advice

Daisygirl is right...everything she said we are doing with our 10 week old Siberian Husky. She is practically house trained and only has wee accidents when she is nervous of someone new, which is totally normal in a puppy her age and she will grow out of it. It takes patience and lots of it, but in the long run it is worth the work. We have also crate trained and she stays in there whenever we are all out of the house and at night which is great. She never "goes" in her crate so we know she can control herself.  
 
I'm reading Cesar Millan's book "Raising the perfect puppy" and it's helping a lot. I think the key is whenever you feel like giving up you have to just keep going!

cdkg

12/29/2010 9:05:31 AM
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May i suggest

Treat the dog like a dog. When you humanize them and treat them like babies they become the "leader of the pack" and lose respect for you. Which might explain the peeing on couches and beds. Lots of praise when he/she goes outside  
I like Ceasar Millan but a good show to watch is "At the End of My Leash". Brad is a little harsh but i agree with his ambilical technic. Makes the dog respect you. I have done with my puppy he is 4 months old. He is house broke, listens to my commands, sits etc.  
Takes commitment and consistency. It will come Good Luck!

BigDaddy 2

12/29/2010 9:27:05 AM
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Take control

You need to make sure you are the MASTER! I am not overly familier with small dogs but would imagine they are somewhat the same as bigger dogs. If you are not the alpha dog they will walk all over you! Keep the dog off all the furniture. My dog is not allowed on any furniture until she is asked up and although she fights it sometimes has to get off whenever she is told to! Don't give the puppy free reign over the house! You are the boss and she/he needs to know that, get a crate be persistant. Don't give praise until she/he does something to deserve it! Get rid of the pee pads! All thats doing is rienforcing bad behavior. It would be no different then telling a child not to eat chocolate before bed then letting them walk around with a chocolate bar and putting a chocolate bar in their beds. You are sending 2 messages, we want you to pee outside but heres some pads to pee on in the house. My dog was out every 15 - 30 mins for the first month (when we were home) then in her kennel when we weren't. She wasn't allowed on the furniture until maybe 4mths of age and like I said not until she was asked and I know I probably shouldn't have done that but she is a snuggler. There are lots of good suggestions from people on here, take some and throw some out! Get her/him in to a good ob. training and establish who's the boss. But most of all be consistant and don't give up because all pet owners are trainable if you want to be and the dog will follow!

Derek81

12/29/2010 9:39:09 AM
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I agree

I'm with bigdaddy, throw them puppy pads out. their no good for nuthin. when I got my Mal, and trying to house train him,the biggest thing was routine. It took literally one saturday and maybe a sunday and he was trained to go outside. my routine was to take him outside every couple hours to the same spot in the yard, and basically let him roam around for 10 mins or so, eventually he would pee or poo. and definatly praise the pup for it like they say.

jay8484

12/29/2010 9:48:55 AM
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cute!!!

  
Deposit.Change said "Everytime your pup does his business outside, make sure to reward him with TONS of praise, excitement, treats - throw a dang party!  
 
My yorkie/papillon pup at the time got the idea very quickly.. he even tried to fake it a few times to get praise after that even if he didn't have to go.. sneaky bugger!  
 
And on a related note, my parents' purebred bichon (he's 14 now!) took a lot of patience and repetitive action before he got the idea... but he did get it!  
 
Edited by Deposit.Change, 2010-12-22 11:44:46"

that is adorable!  
 
i have a 1 year old boxer, i was having trouble at first because i was trying so many different techniques every couple of days and she really didnt understand. i finally stuck with this:  
 
1) CRATE. i started this when she was 3 months old, and i started it on a weekend so that i had more time for her. make sure the crate is not big enough for them to run around in. all they should be able to do is sit down, lay down and turn around in it. it seems mean, but thats all they need because they will only be napping in it. if it's any bigger, they will pee at one end and sleep at the other. she was in her crate all day unless she was out with me. when she was out with me, we would play and play and play and i would tire her out. then she goes back into the crate, naps for a few hours, then immediately goes outside. tons and tons of praise for the pee WHILE she was peeing. then she gets to play outside AFTER she goes pee, then it's back inside for more play time, then back to bed (when they are that young they need 16-20 hours of sleep per day). if you give them free roam in the house they will pee anywhere then just walk away from it. you have to teach them to hold it in, not teach them that you will rescue them with pee pads wherever they are. you need to take the dog outside immediately after every 30 minutes of play time, EVERY time they wake up from a nap and every time you bring them out of their crate - straight outside. if you say "well i dont know when he wakes up sometimes hes just on the couch", if you aren't beside him watching him and waiting for him to wake up, he should be in his crate instead. the dog will learn that their crate is a safe place to get away from the world and have quiet time, and not a punishment.  
 
2) BELL. every time i took her outside, i rang a little bell that hung from the door handle. it means that when the bell rings, the door is about to open. soon enough they will realize that if they ring it, you will come open it for them! i hung it so it is level with her face so she just nudges it. it works perfectly! even if i want her to go outside quickly before i leave for work, i will ring it and she comes running to the door.  
 
3) PRAISE. i mentioned this before, but praise is the most important and it must be done WHILE or IMMEDIATELY AFTER the peeing has taken place. we learned at training classes that sometimes they still dont associate the praise with the good deed because it happens after they have already stood up and walked away - they think they are being praised for coming over to you. we use clickers instead so you can click during the good deed, then after the click you give them a treat. clicker training is a great tool.  
 
keep in mind that during winter the dogs are unsure of snow and dont understand that it's OK to pee on it. just keep up the praise!

BigDaddy 2

12/29/2010 11:23:33 AM
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Clicker

I was dead set against clicker training as with my previous dogs I was trained NEVER use treats as rewards. It was just word commands and lots of praise. My current dog I was told to get a clicker to help me to get her to "stack" for confermation and was not to keen on doing it, but relented and got one. I am truely amazed at how good it works. She is MY baby and listens mainly to me and would give my wife a run for her money when it came to listening. That was until she started using the clicker for whatever she wanted. It works and although you can train without it, it sure helps out and can be a very useful tool! When you are praising the dog for doing its business outside, if you feel goofy or imbarressed because you are making an ass of yourself getting all excited then go a little further, thats what they need and make sure you are doing it during and after they do their business! There is nothing more humbling then standing over your dog praising it, clapping, and then playing/petting it after it goes pee/poo when all your neighbors are looking at you like you have gone mad! But after about a week of doing it and learning the cues my girl gave us we haven't had to clean up any accidents!

Jellybean

12/29/2010 11:49:30 AM
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May 2010
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Scheduling is a good thing

When we got our puppy, the breeder sent a daily schedule with him to let us know what he was used to. It basically just outlined the importance of indoor and outdoor play times, nap times, and bedtimes. It sounded kind of silly at first, but it really did work so that he wasn't scared in his new environment. From there we just kept making sure he was going outside on a regular basis and we tought him to pee and poo on command. We used the crate he came with as his little home, to sleep and nap. He refused to make a mess in their because it was his safe place. As he grew we upgraded to a bigger doggy cage. He is almost 5 now, and he still follows his own schedule and uses his home as his safe place for naps, bedtime and when he just wants to get away from our kids playing with him to much.  
I didn't believe in using any of the stuff out their like puppy pads and all that. A simple schedule really worked for us, and our dog was fully house trained well before 6 months old.  
Also, a bit of advice. Our dog is a bichon, and this breed does have a tendency to pee when they get very excited. We were told to try and pet him from under his chin, instead of patting the top of his head or body, which causes them to squat a bit, and then subsequently pee.  
Anyways, hope you figure this all out, and have some luck getting your puppy trained.


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