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Mr Art Vandelay

9/8/2011 5:46:33 PM
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Holiday Dainty Trays

Hi everyone, I'm thinking of using one of my talents and offer trays of Christmas baking for sale this year. Has anyone done this? I'm wondering what to charge for a tray of say 2 dozen assorted dainties? How much would you pay for such a service? Any help would be appreciated!  
 
Did you know there are only 107 days til Christmas? :-)

 
 
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Butterflymbca

9/8/2011 5:57:36 PM
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Did you know

That in order to sell food items you have to have a licenced commercial kitchen?

Atyaugh

9/8/2011 6:07:18 PM
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You don't

  
Butterflymbca said "That in order to sell food items you have to have a licenced commercial kitchen? "

have to if you are selling food items as part of a farmer's market/bake sale. But there are still specific guidelines that are pretty strict regarding what foods are okay to sell and how they are packaged.  
 
http://www.gov.mb.ca/health/publichealth/environmentalhealth/protection/docs/farmers_market.pdf  
 
That above website explains everything you need to know about selling your food items at a bake table, so read it over real good, Mr Art Vandelay.

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9/8/2011 6:08:49 PM
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might be helpful

I never know how to read these govt publications but check out page 8 in this link. It looks like there are exceptions for foods that can be prepared at home and sold. This is a farmer's market example but shouldn't it be similar???  
 
http://www.gov.mb.ca/health/publichealth/environmentalhealth/protection/docs/farmers_market.pdf

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9/8/2011 6:11:40 PM
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great minds think alike

  
Rdrchick said "
  
Butterflymbca said "That in order to sell food items you have to have a licenced commercial kitchen? "

have to if you are selling food items as part of a farmer's market/bake sale. But there are still specific guidelines that are pretty strict regarding what foods are okay to sell and how they are packaged.  
 
http://www.gov.mb.ca/health/publichealth/environmentalhealth/protection/docs/farmers_market.pdf  
 
That above website explains everything you need to know about selling your food items at a bake table, so read it over real good, Mr Art Vandelay. "

Looks like we were posting at the same time.  
 
Just a question to anyone out there......is it still "legal" to prepare desserts using whipped topping for example and transport them to a community arena where it is then sold???? Doesn't look like it to me but would like thoughts.

my view is.....

9/8/2011 6:13:00 PM
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well some

of us i am sure would love to buy some from u!!  
I for one am not a baker, i would appreciate something like this to be available!!

Atyaugh

9/8/2011 6:17:09 PM
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Agreed

  
my view is..... said "of us i am sure would love to buy some from u!!  
I for one am not a baker, i would appreciate something like this to be available!! "

If I could, I would start a home based baking business. But as it stands, I am working on a business plan and *hope* to have some start-up for a business in the future. Until then, I am out of luck.  
 
I don't understand what the difference is between preparing a food item at home and selling it at a farmer's market...or preparing a food item at home and selling it to the public. You are doing exactly the same thing, just from a different place.  
 
I understand the need for food safety, but it's ridiculous to me.  
 
I guess all I can hope for is to be lucky enough to get a business loan sometime in the next few years. Lol.

just maybe

9/8/2011 6:46:02 PM
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Good luck

I know lots of people who do this it is great way to make a little extra $ and have fun doing it. It is no different then a bake sale at your kids school of farmers market. So many people just dont have time to bake themselves "go for it  
Anyone who has allergies wont order from you in the first place they are not about to take a chance  
 
 
Edited by justmyview, 2011-09-08 18:48:01

Butterflymbca

9/8/2011 6:48:27 PM
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Except

  
{{{{Sapphire}}}} said "
  
Rdrchick said "
  
Butterflymbca said "That in order to sell food items you have to have a licenced commercial kitchen? "

have to if you are selling food items as part of a farmer's market/bake sale. But there are still specific guidelines that are pretty strict regarding what foods are okay to sell and how they are packaged.  
 
http://www.gov.mb.ca/health/publichealth/environmentalhealth/protection/docs/farmers_market.pdf  
 
That above website explains everything you need to know about selling your food items at a bake table, so read it over real good, Mr Art Vandelay. "

Looks like we were posting at the same time.  
 
Just a question to anyone out there......is it still "legal" to prepare desserts using whipped topping for example and transport them to a community arena where it is then sold???? Doesn't look like it to me but would like thoughts. "

That the OP is not talking about a Farmer's Market or a bake Sale. What they are talking about is essentially a catering service which indeed needs to be regulated.  
 
As a Food Safety Trainer for the Canadian Restaurant and Food Services Association, these type of home-based 'businesses' are potentially very dangerous and need to be inspected and regulated.

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9/8/2011 6:53:34 PM
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question for butterfly

So, about my earlier question.....is it ok to prepare food at home, like a dessert with whipped cream in it and then take it to the local arena where they sell it?????  
 
Sorry to the OP for hijacking this thread, I hope that you can sell dainty trays, I know service groups that do it as fundraisers and it works for them.

Boston

9/8/2011 6:56:45 PM
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Catering Service?

It's not really a catering service they're talking about (it doesn't sound like that anyways).  
 
So what if they just make their dainties and sell them "under the table". Who is going to know? Unless someone from here is going to go tattle because so-and-so is "illegally making danties and selling them from his/her kitchen". Ridiculous!

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9/8/2011 6:58:39 PM
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Well Said

  
Boston said "It's not really a catering service they're talking about (it doesn't sound like that anyways).  
 
So what if they just make their dainties and sell them "under the table". Who is going to know? Unless someone from here is going to go tattle because so-and-so is "illegally making danties and selling them from his/her kitchen". Ridiculous! "

I completely agree!!!!

Cant wait for summer

9/8/2011 7:02:34 PM
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Mr Art Vandelay

First of all, love the name.  
 
For a tray of 2 dozen dainties, I'd pay about $5-$8. Depends what's on them I think.

nononsense

9/8/2011 7:04:42 PM
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I

know someone who did some baking for a fundraiser and she spent $150 on everything she needed and she added up what she made and said if she sold everything it would bring in $258. So she spent the day baking and made a profit of $8.  
 
It was really good though.

Cant wait for summer

9/8/2011 7:06:07 PM
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Licensed

I realize that you probably have to follow the rules and what not. But really, who cares and who even does that?  
 
Can you imagine all the babas out there that make perogies & cabbage rolls?? Mmmmmm.... perogies and cabbage rolls.  
 

Atyaugh

9/8/2011 7:19:08 PM
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.

  
Butterflymbca said "
  
{{{{Sapphire}}}} said "
  
Rdrchick said "
  
Butterflymbca said "That in order to sell food items you have to have a licenced commercial kitchen? "

have to if you are selling food items as part of a farmer's market/bake sale. But there are still specific guidelines that are pretty strict regarding what foods are okay to sell and how they are packaged.  
 
http://www.gov.mb.ca/health/publichealth/environmentalhealth/protection/docs/farmers_market.pdf  
 
That above website explains everything you need to know about selling your food items at a bake table, so read it over real good, Mr Art Vandelay. "

Looks like we were posting at the same time.  
 
Just a question to anyone out there......is it still "legal" to prepare desserts using whipped topping for example and transport them to a community arena where it is then sold???? Doesn't look like it to me but would like thoughts. "

That the OP is not talking about a Farmer's Market or a bake Sale. What they are talking about is essentially a catering service which indeed needs to be regulated.  
 
As a Food Safety Trainer for the Canadian Restaurant and Food Services Association, these type of home-based 'businesses' are potentially very dangerous and need to be inspected and regulated. "

I understand the danger and agree that they need to be regulated. I misread the OP and was under the impression that they were going to sell they trays at a Christmas bake sale.  
 

Dug

9/8/2011 7:21:22 PM
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To many regulations

to many regulations nowadays. I would love to buy a few trays from a home business , in my opinion a home business does it cuz they love to bake and are probably really good at it but get scared away because of all the regulations and that leaves us buying dainty's out of a box at superstore. Ill buy from you.

Dug

9/8/2011 7:24:24 PM
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bake sale

if the food is safe enough for a bake sale then why cant you buy it directly from the baker outside the sale ?

Oryx

9/8/2011 7:25:53 PM
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Yes

  
nononsense said "know someone who did some baking for a fundraiser and she spent $150 on everything she needed and she added up what she made and said if she sold everything it would bring in $258. So she spent the day baking and made a profit of $8.  
 
It was really good though. "

that's the reality. Not going to make big bucks selling baking out of your house. Not worth the time, effort or money if you expect to see great profits.  
 
I enjoy baking, but I see no profit unless you are commercial.

Mr Art Vandelay

9/8/2011 7:28:02 PM
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exactly

  
Boston said "It's not really a catering service they're talking about (it doesn't sound like that anyways).  
 
So what if they just make their dainties and sell them "under the table". Who is going to know? Unless someone from here is going to go tattle because so-and-so is "illegally making danties and selling them from his/her kitchen". Ridiculous! "

I understand the need for rules and regulations regarding services like this. I like to know exactly where my food is coming from, which is why I make it myself.  
 
But the fact that I can bake things and sell them at a farmers market, but not from my own home is absolutely ridiculous.  
 
And you're right, I wasn't asking about the rules. I was asking about prices!!

NA

9/8/2011 7:41:23 PM
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it is true...

to do it from home you need a license. I sell Epicure which is a kitchen spice company, and to do parties and such I needed to get a license. When I do trade shows I dont need anything except food safety, but to do parties in peoples homes we needed insurance and a license.

Cant wait for summer

9/8/2011 7:57:48 PM
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People

  
*Mittens* said "to do it from home you need a license. I sell Epicure which is a kitchen spice company, and to do parties and such I needed to get a license. When I do trade shows I dont need anything except food safety, but to do parties in peoples homes we needed insurance and a license. "

Art Vandalay wasn't asking about permits or regulations! Obviously there's going to be regulations and permits but that's not what they were asking.  
 
Mittens, butterfly, everyone else.. what would you spend on a dainty tray of 2 dozen, say if this person WAS licensed? Sheesh

Prairie

9/8/2011 8:01:49 PM
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Epicure is totally different!

Dear god , Epicure is a franchise type deal like Mary Kay and Avon.Of course you need a licence as the are a multi-million dollar company! Comparing that to people who offer to bake cakes for special occasions out of their home, making dainties for christmas and selling your garden produce online a licence!? Perhaps the "Food Police" will crack down on fundraisers selling cooked hotdogs hmmmmmmm lets make it fair across the board and not pick and choose who has to follow the rules or doesnt. Good luck with the dainties...snowballs with the candied cherries inside rolled in coconut are my favs  
 
Im cheap...$2.00 for 12 snowballs would reel me in  
 
Edited by Prairie, 2011-09-08 20:07:05

Tamara79

9/8/2011 8:12:15 PM
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where do you buy your dainties???

  
JimK said "First of all, love the name.  
 
For a tray of 2 dozen dainties, I'd pay about $5-$8. Depends what's on them I think. "

We get our dainties from an actual Ukrainian Baba lol and we are paying way more than that for 2 dozen dainties (10-$20 depending whats on them)....I'd say maybe we were being screwed by a granny but other people buy from her too so im not going to get mad about it lol

Dr. Will

9/8/2011 8:15:51 PM
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OMG!

I gotta get started on my Christmas shopping!

Atyaugh

9/8/2011 8:37:56 PM
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Price

Personally, I have no problem paying more for local items, because I am a baker as well and I know the time and money that go into making quality food items.  
 
I wouldn't pay more than $10 for a dainty tray from a grocery store, but I would certainly pay more for a dainty tray from a local baker. $20 absolutely.  
 
The extra money is worth the extra quality, and doesn't undermine the skill of the baker.

cbm

9/8/2011 8:38:50 PM
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i do

  
JimK said "I realize that you probably have to follow the rules and what not. But really, who cares and who even does that?  
 
Can you imagine all the babas out there that make perogies & cabbage rolls?? Mmmmmm.... perogies and cabbage rolls.  
 
"

this in the fall and through the winter cabbage rolls and homemade perogies are my biggest sellers

Butterflymbca

9/8/2011 8:45:26 PM
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Actually

If you want to know, every Baba selling perogies from home without a seperate commercial kitchen breaks health code regulations.  
 
As soon as you start a for-profit business with food you are subject to the rules and regulations of every food-service establishment out there.  
 
These laws are put out there to protect the public from food borne illnesses and very serious health risks.  
 
Wasn't it just yesterday that people on here advised a concerned person to call the the health inspector to report his friend who was working in a commercial kitchen with an infectious disease? Think about the houses that these business would run from if any tom dick and harry were legally allowed to sell food from the trunk of their car?  
 
Don't you want to know where the food you feed your children comes from and know that someone somewhere has at least given that establishment and/or person some kind of review. I mean we inspect our kids' halloween candy for goodness sakes but are willing to buy food prepared by god knows who in god knows where?  
 
Now that being said - if you do decide to do this and for those who already do - keep your advertising to word of mouth or you are just asking for regulatory issues  
 
Edited by Butterflymbca, 2011-09-08 20:47:32

Cant wait for summer

9/8/2011 8:51:21 PM
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Whoop-di-doo

  
Butterflymbca said "If you want to know, every Baba selling perogies from home without a seperate commercial kitchen breaks health code regulations.  
 
As soon as you start a for-profit business with food you are subject to the rules and regulations of every food-service establishment out there.  
 
These laws are put out there to protect the public from food borne illnesses and very serious health risks.  
 
Wasn't it just yesterday that people on here advised a concerned person to call the the health inspector to report his friend who was working in a commercial kitchen with an infectious disease? Think about the houses that these business would run from if any tom dick and harry were legally allowed to sell food from the trunk of their car?  
 
Don't you want to know where the food you feed your children comes from and know that someone somewhere has at least given that establishment and/or person some kind of review. I mean we inspect our kids' halloween candy for goodness sakes but are willing to buy food prepared by god knows who in god knows where?  
 
Now that being said - if you do decide to do this and for those who already do - keep your advertising to word of mouth or you are just asking for regulatory issues  
 
Edited by Butterflymbca, 2011-09-08 20:47:32"

I again ask, who cares? Certainly the people not buying the delicious perogies and cabbage rolls.  
 
Have you honestly never bought anything from anyone that wasn't licensed? Come on...  
 
And my dainties, I usually make my own. I was just thinking what they might be in the store.. maybe $5-$8 is more realistic for 1 dozen, rather than 2.. but you know, once you find someone that makes tasty dainties, it's definitely worth the price right?!!

Butterflymbca

9/8/2011 8:52:01 PM
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Or better yet...

Or better yet, instead of trying to sell trays from your home, take out tables at all of the fall and winter craft/trade fairs happening. They have different rules and it gets all your customers in one place!

 
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