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north of 54

8/11/2017 11:56:33 PM
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Is this legal or just a tragedy waiting to happen?

For the 4th time this summer I've seen a 4 door Jeep Wrangler being driven with all it's doors removed. A friend told me this is legal but this pertains to that one specific vehicle - I find it hard to believe that this can be legal - does someone have some real information on this?  
 
Today I was driving on the perimeter hwy around Wpg - late afternoon - rush hour traffic on a Friday - I was "surprised" by the volume of traffic - I was driving 90 in the right hand lane - no point passing as there were at least a dozen vehicles in front of me and I was being passed every couple of seconds by vehicles in the left lane - went over a very rough railway crossing at the same time as a Jeep Wrangler passed me - the young female in the right side back seat was bounced towards the opening - OMG - a couple of more inches and she would have been out of the vehicle being dragged along by the seatbelt - thankfully I could see an arm pulling her back. This is a tragedy waiting to happen. If this vehicle were to be T-boned at an intersection by another vehicle travelling at 50 - the outcome would likely be awful.  
 
Just seems incredibly reckless to me after witnessing a near tragedy today.

Coffeeplz

8/12/2017 8:29:01 AM
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Well

I have driven in a jeep with all doors removed, and yes, it is legal. The doors are made removalable for a reason after all. You will not "fall out" of a jeep if you are buckled properly.  
As for driving 90 on the perimeter around Wpg, the speed limit is 100, so of course people were passing you. I just drove the perimeter highway on Monday, no construction, it's summer so it's not icy/snowy, no reason not to drive the speed limit. If you choose to drive under the speed limit, don't be surprised when people pass you! Driving the speed limit is but "reckless" as you say.

The_Young_Man

8/12/2017 9:21:54 AM
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Definitely legal

People have been removing the doors on jeeps for as long as i can remember and I've never heard of any one getting pulled over for it or police doing an enforcement campaign on the issue. As long as you have a seatbelt on, no one should ever fall out.  
 
Edited by The_Young_Man, 2017-08-12 09:23:19

VBALL

8/12/2017 11:03:13 AM
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side mirrors

Jeep owner here. When you take doors off the mirrors come with them. You're "supposed" to have side mirrors. You can buy after market ones but that would be the only think "illegal" about driving with no doors on.

summergal

8/12/2017 11:21:09 AM
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...

it would still be safer to be in a jeep with no doors than on a motorcycle. Neither one would have side protection but in a jeep there is a seatbelt. Well maybe same protection since a motorcyclist would have a helmet.

unbreakable1

8/12/2017 1:02:22 PM
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hmm

While it could be legal, I would be concern about the seatbelt being on properly if a person is being bounced around to the point they are barely in the vehicle. I would venture to say the jeep would have next to no protection if the doors being off and got t-boned.

activex

8/12/2017 1:15:29 PM
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doors off

what is the big issue here I have seen lots of jeeps with doors off how often have you heard jeep being in accidents with people thrown off! Do not think it happens once a week or once a month. Probably way more accidents on snow mobiles during winter.  
We went off roading with all doors and tops off is all fine we keep seatbelt on and hold on bars for rough areas.  
There are motocross racing which can be dangerous for accidents there are not banned or illegal to do.  
If you are afraid or do not like then do not go on a jeep.  
Speed of 90 on highway may have been fast in 1940 but now do not consider yourself 90 be in a high speed especially some highways are now 110.

Midway55

8/12/2017 1:34:59 PM
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Seat Belt

You must realize that a seat belt properly worn isnt going to let you bounce out of the Jeep and be dragged by the vehicle don't you, if this passenger was bouncing out of the Jeep on a rail crossing and somebody pulled them back in, she didn't have a seat belt on don't ya think which is illegal the doors on Jeeps arn't much more than a sheet of metal and some upholstery inside not a thick as a regular car or Truck door seat belts are to keep you in the vehicle in a crash.

veloster

8/12/2017 2:42:57 PM
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VBALL

I don't know what Jeep you have but the Mirrors stay with the Jeep

VBALL

8/12/2017 3:51:35 PM
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veloster

Side mirrors are attached to the door. Taking the doors off the jeep means you don't have side view mirrors.

Brian

8/12/2017 4:37:45 PM
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smokey and the bandit

this reminds of the sherrif car doors off then windshield

JessieJay

8/12/2017 4:57:50 PM
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definitely

if someone almost fell out of the jeep as it went over tracks then she wasn't wearing a seatbelt. That is illegal in any vehicle, doors or not.

veloster

8/12/2017 6:24:16 PM
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Sorry

I only drive real Jeeps where the mirrors are not attached to the Doors CJ's

north of 54

8/12/2017 6:38:09 PM
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I was travelling at 90 in the right hand lane because

there were at least a dozen vehicles ahead of me and at the front of the line was a semi with a 2nd attached unit - there was a long line of vehicles behind me and I'm being passed every 2 seconds by vehicles doing probably 110 - would have been risky to attempt to get into the passing lane and no one behind me was attempting it either. I need to drive according to the conditions I'm faced with. I'm sure the girl in the Jeep had a seatbelt on but maybe it was loosely attached and that's why she bounced sideways so much.  
 
I do think I'm a reasonably good driver and also a defensive driver - I've made mistakes of course - I've driven on interstates where the limit is 75 mph and I do drive the limit - driving at 60 mph would make me a hazard to other drivers.  
 
Thankfully the girl got pulled back by her seatmate - still seems to me that this easily could have been a horrible tragedy.

BrandonBorn88

8/12/2017 6:42:16 PM
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dangerous.

The world is a dangerous place. Can't live in fear of everything. Can't stop people doing what they want to do.

realcanadian

8/12/2017 6:45:56 PM
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It's legal

Been doing it for many years,great way to feel alive.

VBALL

8/12/2017 7:13:15 PM
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sorry veloster

For driving a new jeep than you. In my world a jeep is a jeep.

Jim.49.000

8/12/2017 7:18:36 PM
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.......

We have 2 Jeeps, always have Doors and Top off. My Mirrors are mounted to my body so I always have mirrors.  
We checked into it and Legally need 1 mirror, that would be the Rear View mirror, Side mirrors are optional, they are nice but optional.  
Seat belts are a must, we never move unless they are on.  
 
Care and Common Sense are a must too....

JoeSixpack

8/12/2017 8:04:14 PM
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Minding everybody else's business

What do you mean "Is it legal?" It's their Jeep. It's also legal to ride motorcycles and bicycles, and jump out of airplanes (even without a parachute). I'm not sure that it's anyone else's business if a door is installed on their vehicle or not. Does your bicycle have a door to protect you from the rest of the world? Sometimes, you just need to get on with it ... life's too short.

veloster

8/12/2017 8:46:31 PM
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Not

Not All Jeeps are created equal some with mirrors on the doors are low end Jeeps. Ones with the mirrors on the body are High end Jeeps.

traveller

8/12/2017 9:31:47 PM
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:)

  
Jim.49.000 said "We have 2 Jeeps, always have Doors and Top off. My Mirrors are mounted to my body so I always have mirrors.  
We checked into it and Legally need 1 mirror, that would be the Rear View mirror, Side mirrors are optional, they are nice but optional.  
Seat belts are a must, we never move unless they are on.  
 
Care and Common Sense are a must too.... "

legally you need the drivers side, side mirror, the rear veiw is optional, but handy

james13

8/12/2017 10:05:38 PM
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so......

Can I take the doors off my truck then?  
I believe Ford also can our with a bronco that had the doors that could come off easily.

Jim.49.000

8/12/2017 10:33:28 PM
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Traveler

Sorry but you are wrong....you have to have 1 mirror facing the rear....does not specify what one it is....we looked at MPIC website and that is what is said on there.....

Jim.49.000

8/12/2017 10:36:00 PM
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......

To remove your doors they have to be removable to legally remove them....Jeeps are removable...

ScubaStevo

8/12/2017 11:00:51 PM
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Did they ask

  
veloster said "Not All Jeeps are created equal some with mirrors on the doors are low end Jeeps. Ones with the mirrors on the body are High end Jeeps. "

Did the OP ask if good jeeps had mirrors on the doors or body? No. He asked if it was legal to have the doors off. I didn't find that hard to follow at all, and it doesn't seem like anyone else did either.  
 
Why are you even bringing up about where the mirrors are?  
If it's for a joke... Haha. If it's to get people worked up... I am.  
Whatever reaction you are seeking, consider it achieved so you can move on and troll somewhere else.  
 
Back to the OP. Yes, legal. If I would do it or not could be a different story.

cmp

8/13/2017 8:38:04 AM
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Doors and Mirrors

  
james13 said "Can I take the doors off my truck then?  
I believe Ford also can our with a bronco that had the doors that could come off easily. "

If the doors are designed to come off (the old Broncos are a good example) then yes. However, most truck doors, if the hinges are bolted or welded on, form part of the body integrity so removing them would not be legal.  
 
I have owned and driven Jeeps for 40 years now, and the feeling of freedom with the roof and doors off is the reason why. It is even better with the front windshield folded down, but on public roads (in Winnipeg mind you), I have had the police stop me and issue warnings that the windshield must be up.  
 
On many of the older Jeeps, the doors, when the Jeep sported the soft top in the summer, were also just fabric over a thin wire frame. It was there for protection from the weather rather than protection from collisions.  
 
As to mirrors, it is my understanding that if the vehicle is set up as a car (rear seat installed), and built after 1971, then it must have a left side mirror.If it is a truck (back seat out), or a multipurpos passenger vehicle manufactured after 1988, then it must also have a right side exterior mirror. If the mirrors are not there, you may be ticketed. I just had a look and can verify the above information as it is listed in the Light Vehicle inspection manual.  
 
Edited by cmp, 2017-08-13 08:39:45

traveller

8/13/2017 8:54:47 AM
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:)

  
Jim.49.000 said "Sorry but you are wrong....you have to have 1 mirror facing the rear....does not specify what one it is....we looked at MPIC website and that is what is said on there..... "

jim, i might be wrong, my DE book says you need the drivers side mirror but when i looked it up(unofficial HTA) it does say what you quoted. im going to look through my official copy, maybe its has been changed or mpis definition of the HTA when they printed my DE book was skewed, sorry if i am, im definitely looking into it more, my job requires that i know lol

cmp

8/13/2017 8:55:16 AM
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Then again, according to the MB HTA:

"Mirror equipment  
 
42(1) Every motor vehicle and every school bus shall be equipped with a mirror, securely attached thereto and placed in such a position as to afford the driver, while driving, a clear view of the roadway in the rear and of any vehicle approaching from the rear.  
 
Rear view mirrors on trolley buses  
 
42(2) Every trolley bus, bus, truck, and truck tractor, shall be equipped on each side thereof with a mirror, securely attached thereto and placed in such a position as to afford the driver, while driving, a clear view of the roadway in the rear and on both sides of the vehicle he is driving, and of any vehicle approaching from the rear."  
 
So under the highway traffic act you might be OK with just any one mirror on a passenger vehicle, but under vehicle safety standards you are required to have more than one in the positions listed above, varying on the date of vehicle production.

plus zero

8/13/2017 9:54:03 AM
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good

  
JoeSixpack said "What do you mean "Is it legal?" It's their Jeep. It's also legal to ride motorcycles and bicycles, and jump out of airplanes (even without a parachute). I'm not sure that it's anyone else's business if a door is installed on their vehicle or not. Does your bicycle have a door to protect you from the rest of the world? Sometimes, you just need to get on with it ... life's too short. "

I like your statement there. If you like be risky then go for it if you find things not safe just don't do it. If something happens you are not the one to get hurt I doubt that you will be visiting at the hospital/or funeral if one gets hurt in an accident so leave it.  
Funny that people show links on rules or safety law stuff when they probably break some them self at times in the past or even future so why point fingers when you do the same (breaking rules and laws)

veloster

8/13/2017 11:15:10 AM
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Edited by veloster, 2017-08-13 11:18:43

 
 
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