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Getty said "The sad thing about smokers that rent, is that they want their deposit back when they leave.     Smokers are smokers. If you want a place of your own, save money and buy a house and smoke all you want. When it's time to sell your house. Guaranteed the next person will low ball your house, unless that person is a smoker.       Also there are even condos in Brandon that prohibit smoking. "

If a renter hasn't damaged any property then why wouldn't they expect to get their damage deposit back? The idea that a person who smokes away from their apartment is somehow damaging your property doesn't add up whatsoever

have a nice day said "    comeonsummer said "I also wouldn't rent to someone with obvious anger issues. It's my property that I worked hard to pay for. You aren't entitled to anything, including being allowed to destroy my property. Sorry not sorry. " Well when I don't have anger issues into I'm telling it as it is if you went to the rentals man they would tell you that it is discrimination to say that you will not rent to someone who smokes just like as if they were black native Etc you're the one that's being ignorant here not me so I really wish someone will report you someday someday you will get your karma "

You obviously don't understand how discrimination works. People that face discrimination really have no choice or course of action to prevent the discrimination. They can't just suddenly decide to stop being aboriginal, female, physically disabled or old...but you can decide to quit smoking.

Yeah , granted tobacco smoke clings, but at least it doesn't stink up the entire hallway, like weed. One just has to go in my hall way to get stoned. Where are the laws for that?

not renting to smokers is not about discrimination, people seem to use that word to win their case.

http://www.smokefreehousing.ca/what_owners_need_to_know.html

tom said "    Getty said "The sad thing about smokers that rent, is that they want their deposit back when they leave.     Smokers are smokers. If you want a place of your own, save money and buy a house and smoke all you want. When it's time to sell your house. Guaranteed the next person will low ball your house, unless that person is a smoker.       Also there are even condos in Brandon that prohibit smoking. " If a renter hasn't damaged any property then why wouldn't they expect to get their damage deposit back? The idea that a person who smokes away from their apartment is somehow damaging your property doesn't add up whatsoever "

to claify.. I meant smokers that smoke in the unit. For those that do, there is plenty of damage done.

comeonsummer said "http://www.smokefreehousing.ca/what_owners_need_to_know.html "

 
 
Edited by kaylagurl21, 2018-03-02 11:47:57

What does being a single parent do with this thread?  
Secondly you have every right to not rent to me as a smoker, but if you ever did, dont think for a minute you would dictate what I can legally do off your property.

I'm sorry you don't appreciate my anecdotes but I am flattered to be your first post. I was simply explaining my justification for not wanting smokers in my home. It is my lifelong investment and I will protect it. Don't worry, I won't think about dictating anything to you, not for one minute.

activex said "not renting to smokers is not about discrimination, people seem to use that word to win their case. "

If you refuse to rent to a person because they participate in smudging ceremonies, such as with sage, that would be discrimination as that would be discriminating against a person because of their religious background, which is prohibited by law.  
 
While many people use tobacco strictly for 'recreational' purposes it is also used quite frequently by people for ceremonial/religious purposes. Therefore, refusing to rent to a person simply because they use tobacco is not only discrimination in a general sense but it would be illegal under Manitoba legislation if that person uses it as part of their religious/spiritual practices.  
 
You can stipulate that your tenants can't smoke inside your building but an out-right ban on people who use tobacco in general is most definitely discriminatory behavior.

tom said "    activex said "not renting to smokers is not about discrimination, people seem to use that word to win their case. " If you refuse to rent to a person because they participate in smudging ceremonies, such as with sage, that would be discrimination as that would be discriminating against a person because of their religious background, which is prohibited by law.     While many people use tobacco strictly for 'recreational' purposes it is also used quite frequently by people for ceremonial/religious purposes. Therefore, refusing to rent to a person simply because they use tobacco is not only discrimination in a general sense but it would be illegal under Manitoba legislation if that person uses it as part of their religious/spiritual practices.     You can stipulate that your tenants can't smoke inside your building but an out-right ban on people who use tobacco in general is most definitely discriminatory behavior. "

Seriously?? Now you are attempting to bring indigenous cultures and smudging ceremonies into this thread? Discrimination?? You are so ignorant its not even funny. It is about people not wanting to rent to smokers, who smoke cigarettes. If you don't like it then save some money and buy your own house. And well if you can't save up a big enough down payment maybe its time to quit the $20 a pack cigarettes.

Walked out of a store Thursday, into the parking lot. I was hit with a cloud of cigarette smoke. No-one there. Person was sitting in their car, about 40 feet away, smoking.  
 
I was breathing their smoke, from 40 feet away.  
 
Smokers are polluting my space.

this is not discrimination and you do not own the property when you rent. Buy yourself a house, smoke all you want then let's see how well you'll sell your house and some are sensitive to smoke you will have some cost to clean your house etc. No use to explain further.  
No matter who you are: aboriginal, black, russian, chinese, gay, religious, young, old, healthy or not and so on so on etc. This is not discrimination.  
THis is weekend signing off good bye.

have a nice day said "Well if you're so worried about smokers in this country maybe you should go back to the country where you come from where there is no smoke and maybe you'd be happier there than you are here seeing you been here you say for 5 years and you hate people who smoke while I'm sorry this is Canada and there's lots of people that smoke here so if you don't like it I think maybe you should move back to where you came from and then you wouldn't have to worry about it and rant on here like this my rent is over have a nice day "

What the hell, dude. hahahahahaha

You live in a deluted world my friend if you think smoking causes “NO damage what so ever to your apartment.” Give me a break. When I enter a smokers living space, it’s absolutly disgusting, and it absolutely does “linger”. For you to think otherwise is ludicrase!  
 
Oh, and by the way, you can’t compare cigarette smoke to perfume/cologne. Cigarette smoke will kill you, perfume/cologne my friend, will not! Get over yourself. Smh!

Pfft I have been in my office with the window open suddenly get hit with the stink of smoke-look out and so.eone is walking down the sidewalk, smoking. Sidewalk is 15 ft from my window. So ya smoke carries. Only a smoker wouldn't notice the smell.  
 
It isnt discrimination-and the smoker won't know they lost out on a rental due to their smoking-landlord smells smoke on the person, he just has to offer some other reason for giving the apartment to someone else; he does not have to say a thing about your smoking. If you really think no one notices that you stink of smoke, you are fooling yourself.

TheScotsman said "Walked out of a store Thursday, into the parking lot. I was hit with a cloud of cigarette smoke. No-one there. Person was sitting in their car, about 40 feet away, smoking.     I was breathing their smoke, from 40 feet away.     Smokers are polluting my space. "

that was not cigarette smoke from 40' away.  
 
You only have to be so many feet away from the entrance of a business and it sure is not 40'. Do you think it should be 50'?  
 
lol - do you know how far 40' is?  
 
A little exaggeration on your part.

How far does cigarette smoke travel outdoors?  
 
 
For a single smoker, this distance is approximately 2 meters (6 feet) or more. However if one is directly downwind from a smoker for a significant time period, the distance will likely have to be greater to avoid exposure. We detected air pollution as far away as 9 to 12 feet from a single smoker.  
 
(copy and pasted from a study done)

I don''t blame landlords for wanting non-smokers in their buildings. Cigarette smoke is nasty and lingers.  
Have you ever smelt stale cigarettes on someone''s clothes? I work in the service industry and it can be so over powering I have to take short breaths in until they are gone. Nine times out of 10 it ends in a headache from it.  
I love the weather we''ve been having! But unfortunately it means even when I''m sitting in my car with the windows shut I can smell cigarette smoke seaping in from the smokers with their windows open.  
I''ve been woken up in the middle of the night to smoke smell in my bedroom from a neighbour on the opposite side smoking outside.  
It''s a disgusting habit and the side effects I endure because of others addictions is unfair in my opinion. So good for landlords for sticking up for themselves and their properties.  
 
Edited by *enter name here*, 2018-03-02 21:00:28

*enter name here* said "I don''t blame landlords for wanting non-smokers in their buildings. Cigarette smoke is nasty and lingers.   Have you ever smelt stale cigarettes on someone''s clothes? I work in the service industry and it can be so over powering I have to take short breaths in until they are gone. Nine times out of 10 it ends in a headache from it.   I love the weather we''ve been having! But unfortunately it means even when I''m sitting in my car with the windows shut I can smell cigarette smoke seaping in from the smokers with their windows open.   I''ve been woken up in the middle of the night to smoke smell in my bedroom from a neighbour on the opposite side smoking outside.   It''s a disgusting habit and the side effects I endure because of others addictions is unfair in my opinion. So good for landlords for sticking up for themselves and their properties.     Edited by *enter name here*, 2018-03-02 21:00:28"

addiction!  
 
 
can you smell exhaust in your car? Diesel from the diesel trucks beside you?

Brenda.. said "    *enter name here* said "I don''t blame landlords for wanting non-smokers in their buildings. Cigarette smoke is nasty and lingers.   Have you ever smelt stale cigarettes on someone''s clothes? I work in the service industry and it can be so over powering I have to take short breaths in until they are gone. Nine times out of 10 it ends in a headache from it.   I love the weather we''ve been having! But unfortunately it means even when I''m sitting in my car with the windows shut I can smell cigarette smoke seaping in from the smokers with their windows open.   I''ve been woken up in the middle of the night to smoke smell in my bedroom from a neighbour on the opposite side smoking outside.   It''s a disgusting habit and the side effects I endure because of others addictions is unfair in my opinion. So good for landlords for sticking up for themselves and their properties.     Edited by *enter name here*, 2018-03-02 21:00:28" addiction!       can you smell exhaust in your car? Diesel from the diesel trucks beside you? "

Exhaust, not that I've noticed. Diesel, once in awhile and sometimes it's a bit strong. But these things do not give me instant headaches like cigarette smoke.

Landlord has every right to not rent to whomever they don’t want to. If they meet the potential tenant and they stink of smoke they don’t have to rent to them. Too bad so sad. Guess what, if you didn’t smoke you could easily save money to buy a house!! Instead of wasting money on rent! Win win. They are doing you a favour!!

bdn438 said "You could walk into my apartment, where I have never once smoked, and you would have NO idea that I was a smoker. Maybe if you sniffed my jacket? Standing behind someone in line at a store that smells like cigarette smoke will not harm you. It may annoy you but you have no right to even care what that person smells like - just like a person that is wearing perfume you don’t like.     You absolutely cannot smell someone smoking outside of your car If your windows are rolled up and your doors are closed - get real.     That’s a mighty fine high horse you’re on. "

I've noticed if a person is in their vehicle smoking with their windows down and I'm right behind them or beside them (with my windows up, this happens in winter) the smell will get sucked into my car. I don't appreciate that, it feels like an invasion of my space. I wish I could fart in their vehicle, see how they like their air being polluted by a stench. Same thing happens with diesels. I don't get too worked up though, these are just the unpleasant moments of living in society. I've usually gotten over it within a minute or two, life is too short.  
 
You should google 3rd hand smoke, it's about the chemicals that stick to things from the smoke. It's interesting!

You can smell smoke in your car if it is running and the heat/defrost is on-smoke gets sucked in with outside air. Following a diesel vehicle down the street can be nauseating.

I find this thread to be hilarious, didn't know that there are so many perfect people in this world, or think they are and have all the answers! Last time I checked this is a free country! I do realize that respect has gone by the wayside and some feel entitled, but there are a lot worse things that stink besides cigarette smoke! Lol

Though I won't join the gaggle of smoker bashers here (come on people . . . ), I have to say that I see exactly WHY landlords would be hesitant to rent to smokers. I am in a rooming house with shared ventilation for heat, and our landlord's allowance of smoking (or at least overlooking of it) often results in many uncomfortable nights. Particularly when getting over a nasty cough (as though the bitter cold wasn't already prolonging it!).  
 
Smokers should have the ability to rent anywhere if you own your own furniture (since 3ed hand smoke IS a thing). However, the smoking should be done outside. If butts are discarded properly and care is taken not to disturb others too much (open windows!), they have as much right to have a home as anyone else. Don't equate the whole group because of experiences with a few irresponsible examples.  
 
It's an addiction. And there is no more ineffective way to deal with an addict than to run them down.

This is simple. My next lease will state no smoking no mj no vaping in unit and ask them to sign a statement on the application to rent. I will also i:nclude in the lease a clause for immediate eviction.  
 
This may tick smokers off, dont care. I relize there are good smokers and bad but how do you tell them apart. I'm tired of repainting picking up butts etc etc all related to "good tenants" who have an addiction and as such lie.

eph2-8 said "This is simple. My next lease will state no smoking no mj no vaping in unit and ask them to sign a statement on the application to rent. I will also i:nclude in the lease a clause for immediate eviction.     This may tick smokers off, dont care. I relize there are good smokers and bad but how do you tell them apart. I'm tired of repainting picking up butts etc etc all related to "good tenants" who have an addiction and as such lie. "

But what about people that are prescribed MJ.  
 
I don't think you would be able to stop them, well you could for some reason, but not because they are prescribed it by a doctor.

Other forms of using other than smoking

TheScotsman said "Their clothes smell of smoke. The smell of smoke follows them in the air.     Smoke outside, come in, walk down the hallway, the hallway smells of smoke. It smells exactly as if someone was smoking in the hallway. "

I think your response is a little out of hand. There's a big difference between smoking. Lingering odours, and being around it. Some chemical smells are far more intrusive.