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A while back on FB I ran into what I will call a "nest" of anti-vaxxers. I was shocked by the lack of basic knowledge this group shared, and how they seemed mainly to be supporting each other in their dangerous ignorance. They were completely immune to facts or reason, apparently pleased that they are exceptional parents, having access to "special" information. Information that the entire scientific community refutes.  
 
This grade of "thinking" has gained enough popularity that functionally extinct diseases are now making comebacks. I fear it's only a question of time until children in this community are damaged or killed as a result.  
 
I ask - are anti-vaxxers potentially more dangerous to our children than drunk drivers?  
 
Should up to date vaccination be mandatory for school enrollment, as in Alberta?

Ugh, let it go.  
 
If you are vaccinated & feel that protects you, then you have nothing to fear from 'them'.  
 
If you feel the government should mandatory inject people on the chance they catch a flu, they'd better outlaw many sure causes of health problems like smokes first.  
 
Let it go. People are allowed to have different opinions than you.  
 
Two of my coworkers brag each year about getting flu shot. They have been hit so hard with the flu last two years compared to anyone else that they are even starting to wonder if they should get it.  
 
Just let it go.

Vaccinate your kids and let other people do as they wish, if your kids are vaccinated they should be protected if the science is sound, and I believe it is.

The flu vaccine is hit and miss, just due to the ever changing nature of the flu strains, and the way the vaccine is made, allowing only the selection of 3 likely problematic strains months in advance of the flu season. Flu does kill a lot of older people, btw, and had been shown to increase fatalities in men from cardiac events. I hope you aren't advocating for "just letting go" of numbers of old people, and middle aged men each flu season. I will gladly take a jab in the arm, even if it means one less miserable sick day every other year.  
 
As for more serious illnesses (for which vaccination provides well over 90% immunity, btw), I suggest you take a stroll through the older part of any cemetery. Lots of children's graves there, little kids and babies who died from polio, whooping cough, measles, mumps, etc. People thanked God when the burial of young children was largely stopped thanks to science.  
 
Perhaps belief systems suited for living alone, or in the third world is what we should be 'letting go" of...

The trouble with the logic of just let some people vaccinate their kids is:  
 
Herd immunity and contagion. What you are saying is that you want a free ride on the fact that other people have acted responsibly, instead of you. Full vaccination does not entirely eliminate the chances of infection. For it to provide an effective barrier against other people's child being born damaged, or dying from "heirloom" diseases requires vaccination rates of about 94% in the population.  
 
Not vaccinating your children is an invitation to letting a deadly roulette wheel spin in the community, and history tells us vividly that the results of that is dead and damaged children.  
 
Some belief system...

Heritage said "Ugh, let it go.     If you are vaccinated & feel that protects you, then you have nothing to fear from 'them'.     If you feel the government should mandatory inject people on the chance they catch a flu, they'd better outlaw many sure causes of health problems like smokes first.     Let it go. People are allowed to have different opinions than you.     Two of my coworkers brag each year about getting flu shot. They have been hit so hard with the flu last two years compared to anyone else that they are even starting to wonder if they should get it.     Just let it go. "

Vaccinations and the flu shot are a little different.  
I think what are referring to here are vaccinations for polio, measles, etc. In which case if you don't vaccinate your child for these you are probably an idiot.  

Heritage said "Ugh, let it go.     If you are vaccinated & feel that protects you, then you have nothing to fear from 'them'.     If you feel the government should mandatory inject people on the chance they catch a flu, they'd better outlaw many sure causes of health problems like smokes first.     Let it go. People are allowed to have different opinions than you.     Two of my coworkers brag each year about getting flu shot. They have been hit so hard with the flu last two years compared to anyone else that they are even starting to wonder if they should get it.     Just let it go. "

The issue isn't about annual adult flu vaccines, the flu comes in dozens of different strains and changes every year, unlike the diseases vaccinated in child immunizations which remain fairly consistent, your making what's called a straw man argument.  
 
Secondly, what you and Don don't seem to understand is that if a disease is allowed to spread throughout a non vaccinated population, the chances of adaptations occurring against the vaccine become more and more likely, therefore putting vaccinated individuals at risk, and the vaccine itself.  
 
Thirdly, children cannot make decisions on their own, they rely on their parents to make the right decisions, based on SCIENCE and EVIDENCE, not hearsay, beliefs, opinions and unsubstantiated pseudo-science based on fear and ignorance

There are people out there that are not eligible for vaccinations, such as young infants. They rely on others to be vaccinated so they do not contract illnesses that they are not able to be vaccinated for. Herd immunity protects those who are very vulnerable. When you do not get your children vaccinated it seems like a choice, but ultimately you are putting other children in very grave danger. My three week premature daughter contracted a virus that older children are vaccinated for. She almost died. If all children were vaccinated this almost surely would not have happened. Not vaccinating your children is not a 'choice,' it is negligence and a blatant disregard for the well being of others.

The first 2 responses on this thread are a huge part of the problem as well. Some vaccines can only be given after a certain age, and some people have other health conditions that prevent them from receiving vaccines. If a child of an "anti-Vaxxer" gets a disease because they chose not to vaccinate, they can then spread that disease to people who are unable to vaccinate. It isn't as simple as "vaccinate your kid and don't worry about anyone else". But unfortunately yes, it is to each their own.

Flu vaccines are notoriously hit and miss, but they probably prevent hundreds or thousands of deaths in Canada each season,  and will provide partial immunity, which sounds like a good thing the day a person is coming down with some miserable variant.  The anti-vaxxer logic is deeply flawed.  Implicit in their distorted beliefs seems to be a notion that a person may be subject to greater illness by being exposed to dead fragments of a disease organism.  Please...  And, please explain the mechanism for that magical process.  
 
Anti-vaxxers seem to have a dim belief that not being exposed to a disease organism somehow boosts the immune system. I would like to see an explanation of that logic. Conversely, they seem to feel that their kids would survive polio, or diphtheria just fine, and be stronger for it. Of course, if they don't step right on that mine, they could make it to adulthood, and end up sterilized from something as simple as measles.  
 
I will be happy knowing that I suffer fewer sick days from work, and am not responsible for some ugly flu strain killing someone's grandparents.  
 
As for the completely preventable killing diseases, I question at what point these people incur criminal liability. We don't tolerate drunk driving fatalities, no matter how mentally challenged the person may have been.

Some_Guy said "The first 2 responses on this thread are a huge part of the problem as well. Some vaccines can only be given after a certain age, and some people have other health conditions that prevent them from receiving vaccines. If a child of an "anti-Vaxxer" gets a disease because they chose not to vaccinate, they can then spread that disease to people who are unable to vaccinate. It isn't as simple as "vaccinate your kid and don't worry about anyone else". But unfortunately yes, it is to each their own. "

Ultimately, it was concern for people who couldn't receive vaccinations that made me change camps. My oldest has a chronic medical condition that causes her to have serious reactions to vaccines, and and is contraindicated from receiving more. I didn't vaccinate my other children for years because I was concerned it would happen again. For a long time, I had the youngest children in the family so I wasn't concerned about passing pathogens along to cousins, etc.  
 
However, in time I realized because they don't share the same medical condition with their sister that the risks were much, much smaller if they were vaccinated. I wanted to protect my daughter who cannot be vaccinated, as well as younger cousins who have since been born, including a couple of preemies. We've been playing catch-up on vaccinations ever since.  
 
But there needs to be a balance between collective and individual rights. There is the collective right to herd immunity. But there is also the individual right to decline medical treatment if you deem it risky. Vaccines are not riskless, as I found out the hard way as a new parent. But ultimately it was fear that kept me from NOT vaccinating my other children. Now, it's concern not only for their long-term health (after years of reading about the science and the lessons of history) but for members of our community that drives me to comply with the recommendations.  
 
But we need to have the freedom to choose.

Abbysmum said "    Some_Guy said "The first 2 responses on this thread are a huge part of the problem as well. Some vaccines can only be given after a certain age, and some people have other health conditions that prevent them from receiving vaccines. If a child of an "anti-Vaxxer" gets a disease because they chose not to vaccinate, they can then spread that disease to people who are unable to vaccinate. It isn't as simple as "vaccinate your kid and don't worry about anyone else". But unfortunately yes, it is to each their own. " Ultimately, it was concern for people who couldn't receive vaccinations that made me change camps. My oldest has a chronic medical condition that causes her to have serious reactions to vaccines, and and is contraindicated from receiving more. I didn't vaccinate my other children for years because I was concerned it would happen again. For a long time, I had the youngest children in the family so I wasn't concerned about passing pathogens along to cousins, etc.     However, in time I realized because they don't share the same medical condition with their sister that the risks were much, much smaller if they were vaccinated. I wanted to protect my daughter who cannot be vaccinated, as well as younger cousins who have since been born, including a couple of preemies. We've been playing catch-up on vaccinations ever since.     But there needs to be a balance between collective and individual rights. There is the collective right to herd immunity. But there is also the individual right to decline medical treatment if you deem it risky. Vaccines are not riskless, as I found out the hard way as a new parent. But ultimately it was fear that kept me from NOT vaccinating my other children. Now, it's concern not only for their long-term health (after years of reading about the science and the lessons of history) but for members of our community that drives me to comply with the recommendations.     But we need to have the freedom to choose. "

I would question what exceedingly rare condition would make vaccination too dangerous for a child. I would think that a child that compromised would be in serious danger from the actual disease agents.  
 
The freedom to choose... If vaccination rates aren't high enough to break the daisy chains of contagion, children will certainly be harmed or killed. To reach that level of societal protection requires virtually complete vaccination. People need to recognize that their acts, and their omissions all are acts. The science is in. Failing to vaccinate leads to great harm in the community, possibly in ways you will never know.  
 
I call that gross negligence. How about we adopt the standard of Alberta, you can live as a Luddite, but can't enroll children in school?  
 
Also, just because a child is not in school doesn't make them less susceptible to disease, or being a vector to spread that through vulnerable populations. We all tend to live very mobile and public lives.

In the case of your co-workers, how you (and they) define "flu". I only ask because I am continually astonished at the number of people who get a flu shot, then get a stomach virus (vomiting and diarrhea), then say that the flu shot didn't work. Influenza has nothing to do with such viruses and the flu shot will obviously not prevent them. I've even run into people like health-care and nursing home aides (who should know better) that use the term "flu" incorrectly.

I believe in vaccinating because the results are that it works, but there are comments on here about achieving a certain level of vaccinations to basically take the threat away. Now I might have a bit of a different understanding of vaccinations than what seems to be public understanding. Vaccinations work in the same way in animals or humans, they stimulate the immune system to produce T cells to destroy the viruses that we consider dangerous, and when infected by a virus our body recognizes the virus and produces the proper defense. Now here is where my understanding may differ from others. Have you ever had a tetanus vaccine, answer should be yes, but if you do receive a injury where dirt enters the wound you will likely get another tetanus shot, so what happened to your immunity?  
 
We have a vaccination program for our cattle, where cows are vaccinated every year for the same viruses. Do we do this just because we like spending money, no, we do it because immunity is not a 100% sure thing for an extended period of time.  
 
As adults, I wonder what percent of the population have ever had a booster shot for the diseases that we are so concerned about in children. Without booster shots an adult could get something like measles and have the disease progress to the point that they can transfer the virus, making it able for you to infect other people without developing a full blown case of whatever.  
 
Like I said, just something to think about, or read about, or ask a doctor or researcher about. When being critical of others it sometimes is a good thing to look in a mirror, because you might also be part of the problem.  
 
 
 
Edited by don brown, 2016-03-29 16:02:25

don brown said "I believe in vaccinating because the results are that it works, but there are comments on here about achieving a certain level of vaccinations to basically take the threat away. Now I might have a bit of a different understanding of vaccinations than what seems to be public understanding. Vaccinations work in the same way in animals or humans, they stimulate the immune system to produce T cells to destroy the viruses that we consider dangerous, and when infected by a virus our body recognizes the virus and produces the proper defense. Now here is where my understanding may differ from others. Have you ever had a tetanus vaccine, answer should be yes, but if you do receive a injury where dirt enters the wound you will likely get another tetanus shot, so what happened to your immunity?     We have a vaccination program for our cattle, where cows are vaccinated every year for the same viruses. Do we do this just because we like spending money, no, we do it because immunity is not a 100% sure thing for an extended period of time.     As adults, I wonder what percent of the population have ever had a booster shot for the diseases that we are so concerned about in children. Without booster shots an adult could get something like measles and have the disease progress to the point that they can transfer the virus, making it able for you to infect other people without developing a full blown case of whatever.     Like I said, just something to think about, or read about, or ask a doctor or researcher about. When being critical of others it sometimes is a good thing to look in a mirror, because you might also be part of the problem.         Edited by don brown, 2016-03-29 16:02:25"

Several vaccines require booster shots. Apparently the immune system reacts differently from one virus to another in length of immunity.  
 
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/why-some-vaccines-may-require-a-booster-75898377.html  
 
 
 
Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2016-03-29 16:08:50

Thanks for the link, I'm trying to figure out how many years ago it was that I had this discussion with my doctor about extended immunity from vaccines, at that time we discussed what would happen if there was an outbreak of polio, his reply at that time was that there would likely be a mass vaccination of the population just to be on the safe side,  
Some viruses seem to have the ability to mutate without much problems and can do it between just a few hosts, flu viruses as well as the common cold are two perfect examples, others seem to try and remain pretty true to the original virus. It has sort of been proven that with age our immune system seems to become quite compromised, and that affects the memory part of it, the link mentioned the speed at which a virus basically replicates itself in the host and some are allow the body to get a jump on the virus but it would be interesting to see the results of the speed of the immune system just looking at an older population.

until one of the anti vaxxers kids picks up rubella or the pox. i wonder if their tune will change.  
 
If the rest of us are vaccinated then what is the harm you might ask... babies do not get the full vacination protection until they are what 6 months old ?? maybe older?? some one can correct me on that.  
 
so it is that first early time period where the pro vaccine parents ....kids.... are susceptible to picking up a nasty life altering virus from an unvacinated child at maybe a daycare or some such thing.  
 
this concept of individual rights taking priority of the collective rights of others is BS  
 
we are a society of individuals that agree to live together under rules that provide for a certain degree of harmony and security.  
 
as soon as you allow a hand full of people claim their individual rights supercede those of society they are the e verge of anarchy where everyone lives by their own rules. if that what you want .... move out.  
 
sorry to hijack the thread but the antivaxxers just get my goat.

If vaccines are so perfectly safe why do medical personal require permission slips a solving them of any damage that may be done to the recipient of the vaccine. Apparently you have never had a relative experience convulsions after getting vaccination. But we as a society must inject everyone regardless of what allergies they may have or what negative impact it might have on them because it makes me feel safe. If you want to accept the liability for what harm ay happen to individuals then maybe mandatory vaccinations old be considered.

tafeel said "If vaccines are so perfectly safe why do medical personal require permission slips a solving them of any damage that may be done to the recipient of the vaccine. Apparently you have never had a relative experience convulsions after getting vaccination. But we as a society must inject everyone regardless of what allergies they may have or what negative impact it might have on them because it makes me feel safe. If you want to accept the liability for what harm ay happen to individuals then maybe mandatory vaccinations old be considered. "

I have never had to sign any waiver regarding vaccines. I was vaccinated as a child and so were my children. And I have several children. I have never signed a waiver for them either.  
 
It is safer than the risk of getting one or more of the diseases the vaccines prevent.  
 
Needless to say none of us have contracted any of the diseases we were vaccinated against. I think you need to research some REAL scientific/medical information instead of the "BigPharma" conspiracy B.S.

BUT, the carriers in the vaccine can and do. Every vaccine we buy comes with an insert that warns of an anaphylactic reaction that can occur after giving the vaccine, and I imagine there are inserts in the vaccines used on people as well. One number that doesn't seem to be ever released is the number of reactions that do happen with human vaccines, I honestly wonder if reactions are even recorded. I don't believe that it is wrong to have these risks explained to parents, but will also add that these reactions in a medical surrounding should not be life threatening.  
 
Edited by don brown, 2016-03-29 18:12:01

Goshdarn- the pox?? Really?? What a deadly disease!!?? I can't believe how scared you people are of such silly viruses!! Do you not believe in your bodies ability to fight off virus' and infections? It's very possible! Quite fascinating, really.  
Ceejay- The whole, "Well, gee I was vaccinated as a kid and I'm ok" excuse doesn't hold up. When you were a kid as when I was a kid we received MAYBE a quarter of the vaccines that children and yes infants too receive today.  
 
Yes, children can and are being damaged from vaccines, more and more everyday. It's funny how the pro-vaccers always say if you don't vaccinate your kid your an idiot. My answer is simply, "I hope you've received your booster shots as an adult every couple of years or else your an idiot too." People are aloud to have different choices and decisions then you. Get over it!! Why are you so concerned, your vaccines will protect you, no? Only if everyone's vaccinated? I call B.S herd immunity is a crock.  
 
I would also like to know Brandon's vaccine % rate, and how many cases of "vaccine preventable diseases/viruses" we've had  
#PRO-CHOICE

Starblanket01 said "Goshdarn- the pox?? Really?? What a deadly disease!!?? I can't believe how scared you people are of such silly viruses!! Do you not believe in your bodies ability to fight off virus' and infections? It's very possible! Quite fascinating, really.   Ceejay- The whole, "Well, gee I was vaccinated as a kid and I'm ok" excuse doesn't hold up. When you were a kid as when I was a kid we received MAYBE a quarter of the vaccines that children and yes infants too receive today.     Yes, children can and are being damaged from vaccines, more and more everyday. It's funny how the pro-vaccers always say if you don't vaccinate your kid your an idiot. My answer is simply, "I hope you've received your booster shots as an adult every couple of years or else your an idiot too." People are aloud to have different choices and decisions then you. Get over it!! Why are you so concerned, your vaccines will protect you, no? Only if everyone's vaccinated? I call B.S herd immunity is a crock.     I would also like to know Brandon's vaccine % rate, and how many cases of "vaccine preventable diseases/viruses" we've had   #PRO-CHOICE "

I studied biology at the university level. I received a scholarship for the highest GPA in biology and zoology and graduated with distinction. I think I know something of which I speak. I was putting it simple so people who disagree with vaccines MIGHT understand.

Starblanket01 said "Goshdarn- the pox?? Really?? What a deadly disease!!?? I can't believe how scared you people are of such silly viruses!! Do you not believe in your bodies ability to fight off virus' and infections? It's very possible! Quite fascinating, really.   Ceejay- The whole, "Well, gee I was vaccinated as a kid and I'm ok" excuse doesn't hold up. When you were a kid as when I was a kid we received MAYBE a quarter of the vaccines that children and yes infants too receive today.     Yes, children can and are being damaged from vaccines, more and more everyday. It's funny how the pro-vaccers always say if you don't vaccinate your kid your an idiot. My answer is simply, "I hope you've received your booster shots as an adult every couple of years or else your an idiot too." People are aloud to have different choices and decisions then you. Get over it!! Why are you so concerned, your vaccines will protect you, no? Only if everyone's vaccinated? I call B.S herd immunity is a crock.     I would also like to know Brandon's vaccine % rate, and how many cases of "vaccine preventable diseases/viruses" we've had   #PRO-CHOICE "

Can you provide peer reviewed scientic studies to back your claim that vaccines are damaging children?

tafeel said "If vaccines are so perfectly safe why do medical personal require permission slips a solving them of any damage that may be done to the recipient of the vaccine. Apparently you have never had a relative experience convulsions after getting vaccination. But we as a society must inject everyone regardless of what allergies they may have or what negative impact it might have on them because it makes me feel safe. If you want to accept the liability for what harm ay happen to individuals then maybe mandatory vaccinations old be considered. "

 
Nothing in life has PERFECT safety. Vaccines come about as close as humanly possible. Doctors don't like getting sued, or their insurance companies certainly don't like that, even if it is one in a million. However, I also have never seen a waiver. The risks of fatality from vaccination is in the range of one in a million, or less. The risk of fatality of driving your kids to school, or serving them chips is higher than that. Time to get a grip on reality - the same as you don't have a "right' to poop in our water supply, you have no right to cluelessly contaminate the public with dangerous pathogens that DO kill and maim.  
 
How about criminal liability for the person whose child brings measles into a school, or whooping cough into a prenatal unit?  

Enfyre said "    Starblanket01 said "Goshdarn- the pox?? Really?? What a deadly disease!!?? I can't believe how scared you people are of such silly viruses!! Do you not believe in your bodies ability to fight off virus' and infections? It's very possible! Quite fascinating, really.   Ceejay- The whole, "Well, gee I was vaccinated as a kid and I'm ok" excuse doesn't hold up. When you were a kid as when I was a kid we received MAYBE a quarter of the vaccines that children and yes infants too receive today.     Yes, children can and are being damaged from vaccines, more and more everyday. It's funny how the pro-vaccers always say if you don't vaccinate your kid your an idiot. My answer is simply, "I hope you've received your booster shots as an adult every couple of years or else your an idiot too." People are aloud to have different choices and decisions then you. Get over it!! Why are you so concerned, your vaccines will protect you, no? Only if everyone's vaccinated? I call B.S herd immunity is a crock.     I would also like to know Brandon's vaccine % rate, and how many cases of "vaccine preventable diseases/viruses" we've had   #PRO-CHOICE " Can you provide peer reviewed scientic studies to back your claim that vaccines are damaging children? "

 
No, of course the people claiming that "the pox" is better than the jab in the arm have no proof, and never will, no such information exists. It would be good to test their theories if we could bring back smallpox (eradicated by the first vaccine), to sort out the strong from the weak. What a world these people would have us live in...  

I'm Pro-choice on Vaccinations. So to all the anti-choice people out there. Can you answer these questions.  
Did your Doctor inform you of the risk associated with any Vaccine you give/have given your children?  
Did they mostly focus on the pro's?  
Did they inform you what heavy metals are in the Vaccine?  
What heavy metals were in the Vaccine?  
Did they inform you what the guidelines are on those heavy metals?  
What are the guidelines?  
In which organisms were those viruses cultivated?  
Rats? Mice? Pigs?  
Any part of those animals?  
Would you force a Jewish person to take a vaccine that was cultured in any part of those organisms?  
Were you informed of any and all the the ingredients?  
Was peanut oil part of the ingredients?  
Has peanut allergies been totally ruled out as a suspect in those allergies? Where are the studies which conclude that the science is solid?  
Are there other methods of vaccinations for Humans that don't require those products being injected directly into the bloodstream?  
Is there a form I can add to my water as there is with some animal vaccines?  
Or a form I could breathe in?  
Is injection the only method?  
It is well known Fact that diet is a major factor in the immune systems ability to fight a virus, would you be OK with a Law that limits your food consumption to whole food, fruit and vegetables?  
would you be OK with outlawing packaged junk food, pop, bacon, and other unhealthy products?  
Where would you draw the line?  
I am Pro-choice, and value the ability to make an choice.  
Do you Value yours?  
Did you really make an informed decision, or did you rely on someone else to be informed?  
I do not Know the answers to all of those questions and am hoping some of the anti-choice people will be able to answer them. Especially since they are so well informed.

rum said "I'm Pro-choice on Vaccinations. So to all the anti-choice people out there. Can you answer these questions.   Did your Doctor inform you of the risk associated with any Vaccine you give/have given your children?   Did they mostly focus on the pro's?   Did they inform you what heavy metals are in the Vaccine?   What heavy metals were in the Vaccine?   Did they inform you what the guidelines are on those heavy metals?   What are the guidelines?   In which organisms were those viruses cultivated?   Rats? Mice? Pigs?   Any part of those animals?   Would you force a Jewish person to take a vaccine that was cultured in any part of those organisms?   Were you informed of any and all the the ingredients?   Was peanut oil part of the ingredients?   Has peanut allergies been totally ruled out as a suspect in those allergies? Where are the studies which conclude that the science is solid?   Are there other methods of vaccinations for Humans that don't require those products being injected directly into the bloodstream?   Is there a form I can add to my water as there is with some animal vaccines?   Or a form I could breathe in?   Is injection the only method?   It is well known Fact that diet is a major factor in the immune systems ability to fight a virus, would you be OK with a Law that limits your food consumption to whole food, fruit and vegetables?   would you be OK with outlawing packaged junk food, pop, bacon, and other unhealthy products?   Where would you draw the line?   I am Pro-choice, and value the ability to make an choice.   Do you Value yours?   Did you really make an informed decision, or did you rely on someone else to be informed?   I do not Know the answers to all of those questions and am hoping some of the anti-choice people will be able to answer them. Especially since they are so well informed. "

Go read some peer reviewed scientific studies/reports.  
 
Also, learn how our immune system works. Hint: diet does not affect it enough to provide resistance to viruses.  
 
Do you know how T-cells work?  
Do you know how a vaccine works?  
Do you know what a virus is?  
Do you know how a virus works?  
Do you know the difference between a virus and bacteria?  
 
EDIT: PS - those "heavy metals" occur in larger concentrations in our bodies and in the food we eat than are contained in a vaccine.  
 
 
Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2016-03-29 23:39:01

Cee Jay 55 said "    rum said "I'm Pro-choice on Vaccinations. So to all the anti-choice people out there. Can you answer these questions.   Did your Doctor inform you of the risk associated with any Vaccine you give/have given your children?   Did they mostly focus on the pro's?   Did they inform you what heavy metals are in the Vaccine?   What heavy metals were in the Vaccine?   Did they inform you what the guidelines are on those heavy metals?   What are the guidelines?   In which organisms were those viruses cultivated?   Rats? Mice? Pigs?   Any part of those animals?   Would you force a Jewish person to take a vaccine that was cultured in any part of those organisms?   Were you informed of any and all the the ingredients?   Was peanut oil part of the ingredients?   Has peanut allergies been totally ruled out as a suspect in those allergies? Where are the studies which conclude that the science is solid?   Are there other methods of vaccinations for Humans that don't require those products being injected directly into the bloodstream?   Is there a form I can add to my water as there is with some animal vaccines?   Or a form I could breathe in?   Is injection the only method?   It is well known Fact that diet is a major factor in the immune systems ability to fight a virus, would you be OK with a Law that limits your food consumption to whole food, fruit and vegetables?   would you be OK with outlawing packaged junk food, pop, bacon, and other unhealthy products?   Where would you draw the line?   I am Pro-choice, and value the ability to make an choice.   Do you Value yours?   Did you really make an informed decision, or did you rely on someone else to be informed?   I do not Know the answers to all of those questions and am hoping some of the anti-choice people will be able to answer them. Especially since they are so well informed. " Go read some peer reviewed scientific studies/reports.     Also, learn how our immune system works. Hint: diet does not affect it enough to provide resistance to viruses.     Do you know how T-cells work?   Do you know how a vaccine works?   Do you know what a virus is?   Do you know how a virus works?   Do you know the difference between a virus and bacteria?     EDIT: PS - those "heavy metals" occur in larger concentrations in our bodies and in the food we eat than are contained in a vaccine.       Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2016-03-29 23:39:01"

Yes I do know.  
Did you answer 1 of my questions??  
Because heavy metals already occur in our bodies, can we now safely add to those levels beyond levels recommended by the Canadian guidelines?  
Yes, diet has a huge impact on the effectiveness of the bodies immune system to react to viruses. In day to day life, the fuel to your body is food. if you lack vitamins, minerals, enzymes and phyto-nutrients your immune system will lack fuel and resources it needs to rebuild. Likewise if you eat a lot of Junk, your Immune system is also active in getting rid of toxins, and will be more easily succumb to a virus.  
So question: Do I have a right to butt in if I see your child coming down with a flue or cold based on what you feed your child, and based on the risk that your child will can infect mine?  
Should we not also outlaw foods that are unhealthy?  
 

I did not answer any of your questions because obviously you have "educated" yourself on anti-vaccine garbage websites. Do you know that the initial studies linking vaccines to autism was all faked? The Dr was discredited and his research, though totally false, created a mass of people that falsely believe vaccines are "dangerous".  
 
Do you smoke?

What heavy metals are in children's vaccines?