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Just wondering how many locals watched the Live streamed Political Debate last night - held at the Keystone. What are your thoughts on what the candidates said - did it change your mind in any way? How did you feel the candidates did in this broadcasted Debate. Did you or did you not know that this was taking place??? Did you watch it??? or . . . what are you thinking???

Curious to know if people were following the candidates on Twitter - seems like they were busy on Sunday trying to bang out some more issues - what is your stance on this???  
 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/attack-memes-social-media-manitoba-election-campaign-1.3540143

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/joel-jennifer-melkosky-flood-help-1.3539418  
 
 
Interesting write up on CBC . . . about a Brandon couples stance.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-election-change-progressive-conservatives-1.3537334

Finally - here is the coverage of the Debate that happened on Saturday night in Brandon - maybe this will help some of you post on this thread -  
 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/final-push-brandon-east-1.3538642  
 
I have to guess that the majority of residents in the Brandon area did NOT watch this debate LIVE - as it was televised on Saturday night .  
 
Edited by whatthewhat, 2016-04-18 06:47:06

Brandon East - I thought Caldwell was combative and defensive (no surprise given NDP troubles), Hamilton unimpressive and Isleifson the most confident with answers.  
 
I don't typically vote Conservative, but I'm looking at who can do the best for Brandon East.  
Caldwell may have received my vote normally, given a good Provincial leader, but Selinger NDP and the "Just wait!" We are going to improve (insert cause here) after all these years in leadership is just not cutting it anymore.  
 
The PST surprise raise didn't sit well with me, but that's not all. Selinger just grates on my nerves with his lies. No wonder there was a party revolt with 5 major ministers leaving. Time to give this party the boot.  
 
 
 
 
Edited by Kellye, 2016-04-18 08:41:10

whatthewhat said "http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/joel-jennifer-melkosky-flood-help-1.3539418       Interesting write up on CBC . . . about a Brandon couples stance. "

What I would like to know is how long this family have voted NDP? That is the real question. Also sounds like Caldwell is good friends with the couple, did he go above and beyond for all others affected by the high water events?  
 
Jeez people are so upset that Pallister wasn't here for a photo-op.

Kellye said "Brandon East - I thought Caldwell was combative and defensive (no surprise given NDP troubles), Hamilton unimpressive and Isleifson the most confident with answers.     I don't typically vote Conservative, but I'm looking at who can do the best for Brandon East.   Caldwell may have received my vote normally, given a good Provincial leader, but Selinger NDP and the "Just wait!" We are going to improve (insert cause here) after all these years in leadership is just not cutting it anymore.     The PST surprise raise didn't sit well with me, but that's not all. Selinger just grates on my nerves with his lies. No wonder there was a party revolt with 5 major ministers leaving. Time to give this party the boot.           Edited by Kellye, 2016-04-18 08:41:10"

Yes, I did notice that Drew did get combative - but he responded in that tone on 3 occassions only. I believe he was more "frustrated" with the lack of knowledge the other 2 have on issues discussed. I in fact think I would have been much more combative had I been set up in that situation. I am not sure how many of you would not have responded the same way - yet you expect someone else not to retort and show distain.  
 
Let me outline what I noticed:  
 
1. The 8th Street Bridge issue - the other 2 did not realize that the 8th street bridge is NOT under the Provincial roads agenda - it is the CITY of Brandon who is liable for that bridge. Provincial obligations only pertain to "Provincial Roads/Hwys" - like Hwy #1, 1A, 10 - thus that question was irrelevant to the Provincial mandate/responsibility - however the other 2 seemed to be oblivious to that fact. Therefore Drew deferred that issue "To the City of Brandon". I am sure not many understood why he did that - especially the other 2 Party Reps.  
 
2. Clearly Isleifson had attempted to play Hookie, like his leader Pallister has been doing - in another debate scheduled - that the other reps had attended, and had to change location/time to meet the entitled Isleifsons schedule. Isleifson was clearly not scheduling the Provincial Debates as priority on his day schedule. Isleifson did not seem concerned about wasting the other reps time/effort - and he had to be pandered too - very unprofessional. Of course Drew would get upset at that! Having a "lax a daisy" attitude about responsibility is not seen as favorable nor professional - clearly Isleifson cannot manage his time wisely - nor takes his Political obligations seriously - this clearly shows entitlement/laziness/confusion/incompetence ALREADY - to which Drew would not be impressed by - and he let Isleifson know - he got his message out clearly - yet you may think of it as a negative trait. I don't!  
 
3. Re: The 1% increase. Who knows what the Conservatives would have done - had they been in power and had to deal with the extensive flooding expenses, issues that happened - really, the 1% is very minimal, when you compare to the expenses Filmon caused this Province. The liberals were just backslapping - offering sarcastic comments/blaming - which too is very unprofessional.  
Of course Drew would get upset by this ridiculousness and unrealistic thinking. I did notice that Drew did NOT participate in the "Blame Game" antics and politics that the Liberals and Conservatives are playing. For that I respected him the most on this topic.  
 
4. I did notice that the Liberal and Conservative reps AGREED that the SW corner of the Keystone grounds should be SOLD for some giant venture company - whereas Drew stood firm and said "NO"!!! Drew does not want to have the SW corner developed. Drew is very concerned and determined to have the best interest of Brandon and its current businesses thrive. So to that, I too have to say I agree with Drew. The other two were rather flippant on their response.  
 
5. What I did notice was that the Liberal Rep was the only one who responded to the need for an increase in the EIA and Disability monthly payments issued by the Provincial Income Security System. To that I was impressed by her.  
 
6. Re: The development of the New School in the South end of Brandon. Again, the Liberal Rep was the only one who stood firm and say she AGREED on building such new school - however Isleifson did not. Drew said it was something they were considering at this time - however, if you have lived in Brandon before the housing development went up in that area, you will remember that area as being a SLUE - SWAMP - which really is not a preferable site for building a new school on. I agree with Drew on his thinking there -  
 
See, I was part of BUSU - when Drew and Jennifer Howard were also with BUSU - I was a Senator in Jennifer Howards Senate - so I have experience working with these 2 - can kinda figure out how they think - but over all - the Liberal gal really outshone Isleifson on Saturday night to me - with Drew remaining the most Professional, and on task/informed.  
 
Also, Drew focused on the Positive things - and did not retaliate for all the cheap shots the other two continued to toss at him -  
 
but thats just my opinion.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Edited by whatthewhat, 2016-04-18 09:34:45

Johnbisonbear said "    whatthewhat said "http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/joel-jennifer-melkosky-flood-help-1.3539418       Interesting write up on CBC . . . about a Brandon couples stance. " What I would like to know is how long this family have voted NDP? That is the real question. Also sounds like Caldwell is good friends with the couple, did he go above and beyond for all others affected by the high water events?     Jeez people are so upset that Pallister wasn't here for a photo-op. "

I love this out of the article....She said the NDP was the only party to reach out and offer support at the time. Well duh....who is in power at the time? Hmmmm....NDP? I would expect them to be around for the flood. Who friggin cares where Brian was at that time, he wasn't premier or anything at that time so who cares what he does on his own time. Hell if he was here people would be complaining he is just trying for a photo op. Anything the NDP can try and get a "Hey look at me" moment they are all over it.

whatthewhat said "    Kellye said "Brandon East - I thought Caldwell was combative and defensive (no surprise given NDP troubles), Hamilton unimpressive and Isleifson the most confident with answers.     I don't typically vote Conservative, but I'm looking at who can do the best for Brandon East.   Caldwell may have received my vote normally, given a good Provincial leader, but Selinger NDP and the "Just wait!" We are going to improve (insert cause here) after all these years in leadership is just not cutting it anymore.     The PST surprise raise didn't sit well with me, but that's not all. Selinger just grates on my nerves with his lies. No wonder there was a party revolt with 5 major ministers leaving. Time to give this party the boot.           Edited by Kellye, 2016-04-18 08:41:10" Yes, I did notice that Drew did get combative - but he responded in that tone on 3 occassions only. I believe he was more "frustrated" with the lack of knowledge the other 2 have on issues discussed. I in fact think I would have been much more combative had I been set up in that situation. I am not sure how many of you would not have responded the same way - yet you expect someone else not to retort and show distain.     Let me outline what I noticed:     1. The 8th Street Bridge issue - the other 2 did not realize that the 8th street bridge is NOT under the Provincial roads agenda - it is the CITY of Brandon who is liable for that bridge. Provincial obligations only pertain to "Provincial Roads/Hwys" - like Hwy #1, 1A, 10 - thus that question was irrelevant to the Provincial mandate/responsibility - however the other 2 seemed to be oblivious to that fact. Therefore Drew deferred that issue "To the City of Brandon". I am sure not many understood why he did that - especially the other 2 Party Reps.     2. Clearly Isleifson had attempted to play Hookie, like his leader Pallister has been doing - in another debate scheduled - that the other reps had attended, and had to change location/time to meet the entitled Isleifsons schedule. Isleifson was clearly not scheduling the Provincial Debates as priority on his day schedule. Isleifson did not seem concerned about wasting the other reps time/effort - and he had to be pandered too - very unprofessional. Of course Drew would get upset at that! Having a "lax a daisy" attitude about responsibility is not seen as favorable nor professional - clearly Isleifson cannot manage his time wisely - nor takes his Political obligations seriously - this clearly shows entitlement/laziness/confusion/incompetence ALREADY - to which Drew would not be impressed by - and he let Isleifson know - he got his message out clearly - yet you may think of it as a negative trait. I don't!     3. Re: The 1% increase. Who knows what the Conservatives would have done - had they been in power and had to deal with the extensive flooding expenses, issues that happened - really, the 1% is very minimal, when you compare to the expenses Filmon caused this Province. The liberals were just backslapping - offering sarcastic comments/blaming - which too is very unprofessional.   Of course Drew would get upset by this ridiculousness and unrealistic thinking. I did notice that Drew did NOT participate in the "Blame Game" antics and politics that the Liberals and Conservatives are playing. For that I respected him the most on this topic.     4. I did notice that the Liberal and Conservative reps AGREED that the SW corner of the Keystone grounds should be SOLD for some giant venture company - whereas Drew stood firm and said "NO"!!! Drew does not want to have the SW corner developed. Drew is very concerned and determined to have the best interest of Brandon and its current businesses thrive. So to that, I too have to say I agree with Drew. The other two were rather flippant on their response.     5. What I did notice was that the Liberal Rep was the only one who responded to the need for an increase in the EIA and Disability monthly payments issued by the Provincial Income Security System. To that I was impressed by her.     6. Re: The development of the New School in the South end of Brandon. Again, the Liberal Rep was the only one who stood firm and say she AGREED on building such new school - however Isleifson did not. Drew said it was something they were considering at this time - however, if you have lived in Brandon before the housing development went up in that area, you will remember that area as being a SLUE - SWAMP - which really is not a preferable site for building a new school on. I agree with Drew on his thinking there -     See, I was part of BUSU - when Drew and Jennifer Howard were also with BUSU - I was a Senator in Jennifer Howards Senate - so I have experience working with these 2 - can kinda figure out how they think - but over all - the Liberal gal really outshone Isleifson on Saturday night to me - with Drew remaining the most Professional, and on task/informed.     Also, Drew focused on the Positive things - and did not retaliate for all the cheap shots the other two continued to toss at him -     but thats just my opinion.                         Edited by whatthewhat, 2016-04-18 09:34:45"

You think that Len Isleifson doesn't know that the 8th. street bridge is under the city's jurisdiction? lol The three candidates were asked for their opinion, end of.  
 
I'm not sure why you call Len entitled, sounds like a personal attack on his integrity. I think we all get the drift that you like Drew Caldwell  
 
The question for the possible development in the KC grounds. Buy or lease some of the land. Who talked about some giant company? I fail to see why this shouldn't be considered. The KC needs to look at making revenue and this would be a good way. This would lessen the taxpayer's burden in constantly shelling out money for the centre's upkeep.

Like I said, its my opinion. Don't let me bias you in any way - lol And Isleifson presented himself as being very aloof - and fickle - just how I saw it ! If he floats your boat, than all the more power to you.  
 
And, its interesting how I cannot even vote for Drew - as I am not in the City limits. I was just sharing what I had seen - my view on the debate that took place on Saturday night. No one else seemed to even mention it - and I was wondering if anyone had gone. Thanks for your input! And yes, I have alot of respect for Drew - as a Parliament member.  
 
 
 
Edited by whatthewhat, 2016-04-18 12:20:44

I would think that both Len Isleifson and Vanessa Hamilton know that the 8th street bridge is the cities responsibility because they were both city Councillors in the past.

The_Young_Man said "I would think that both Len Isleifson and Vanessa Hamilton know that the 8th street bridge is the cities responsibility because they were both city Councillors in the past. "

Was Vanessa a councillor long enough to have any gleaned any knowledge from the position?  
 
 
 

The_Young_Man said "I would think that both Len Isleifson and Vanessa Hamilton know that the 8th street bridge is the cities responsibility because they were both city Councillors in the past. "

That was what I thought as well - but they both seemed oblivious to the fact on Saturday night. The question was asked by Tweed - if they felt that the 8th ST Bridge should be fixed by the Province - they both said - YES !!!! And Drew shook his head, and said [I defer to the City of Brandon] . . . he had to repeat this more than once cause they did not seem to get it.  
 
Please watch the Debate - and do not assume you think you know what these other two candidates are aware/informed about.  
 
Adam - can you find the copy of the Debate - it was shown on WCG TV on Saturday night.

foxtrot11 said "    The_Young_Man said "I would think that both Len Isleifson and Vanessa Hamilton know that the 8th street bridge is the cities responsibility because they were both city Councillors in the past. " Was Vanessa a councillor long enough to have any gleaned any knowledge from the position?         "

Sounded like she was a Town Council member for a short time - then she removed herself - to run in this election.  
 
She was the only one though who said she would up the payout of EIA/Disability monthly - and build the school in the South End.  
 
She kinda reprimanded Drew on the fact that kids were staying in Hotels, and that Manitoba has such high rate of children living in Poverty.  
 

NDP. They've had years to fix things. Most haven't happened. We are always a have not Province.  
 
Caldwell is fighting for his main career job, and yes, he has been a fighter for Westman. Too bad he has such a crappy leader.  
 

whatthewhat said "Like I said, its my opinion. Don't let me bias you in any way - lol And Isleifson presented himself as being very aloof - and fickle - just how I saw it ! If he floats your boat, than all the more power to you.     And, its interesting how I cannot even vote for Drew - as I am not in the City limits. I was just sharing what I had seen - my view on the debate that took place on Saturday night. No one else seemed to even mention it - and I was wondering if anyone had gone. Thanks for your input! And yes, I have alot of respect for Drew - as a Parliament member.         Edited by whatthewhat, 2016-04-18 12:20:44"

I have never seen him pass by anyone he knew without speaking to them, a lot more than I can say for many people in this city.  
 
Anyway at least you admit you are biased, kudos to you. And you admit that you cannot even vote for Drew but you felt you had to come on here and spout off about your dislike for Len Isleifson, ugh.

foxtrot11 said "    The_Young_Man said "I would think that both Len Isleifson and Vanessa Hamilton know that the 8th street bridge is the cities responsibility because they were both city Councillors in the past. " Was Vanessa a councillor long enough to have any gleaned any knowledge from the position?         "

Well really she should know, even if she was only a councillor for a little over a year. Same goes for Len. Everyone should know. I've known what streets/roads are the cities responsibility and what streets/roads are the provincial responsibility my whole life and im no politician and have never worked for the government. Its common knowledge. I guess not for them though.  
 
Edited by The_Young_Man, 2016-04-18 15:39:09

For goodness sake,arguing about the 8th Street bridge?  
 
It does affect a segment of the population, but there are many pressing issues, like schools, education, taxes, infrastructure, etc.  

Kellye said "For goodness sake,arguing about the 8th Street bridge?     It does affect a segment of the population, but there are many pressing issues, like schools, education, taxes, infrastructure, etc.   "

No ones arguing about the 8th street bridge, were just discussing that it seemed like two of the candidates had no idea which level of government is responsible and should pay for the 8th street bridge, yet that is something they should know. As for the other issues they were also discussed at the debate between the three Brandon East candidates.  
 
 
 
 
 
Edited by The_Young_Man, 2016-04-18 16:13:36

The_Young_Man said "    Kellye said "For goodness sake,arguing about the 8th Street bridge?     It does affect a segment of the population, but there are many pressing issues, like schools, education, taxes, infrastructure, etc.   " No ones arguing about the 8th street bridge, were just discussing that it seemed like two of the candidates had no idea which level of government is responsible and should pay for the 8th street bridge, yet that is something they should know. As for the other issues they were also discussed at the debate between the three Brandon East candidates.             Edited by The_Young_Man, 2016-04-18 16:13:36"

Just having a calm discussion - nothing wrong with that.