| | Trevor B said "interesting how some are so adamant that homosexuality is genetic and not a choice. And what if it is? What happens then? Maybe it's a gene that lays dormant in everyone and something just triggers it in some. Toque, what if you have that current dormant gene?
Must hurt their manhood to think that guys are choosing to be with other guys and want it to be proven to be genetic. Then they will want researchers to look for a cure for what they will likely call a genetic disorder.
But as I've said before, the researchers only have what may be possible links and nothing definite. They have not proven anything yet. And even then, researchers caution that there may be many other factors. They are no where near to having a simple test done at birth to determine weather a child will growup homosexual.
So the choice vs genetic is nowhere close to being determined as of right now. It's going to take many more studies and research. So the argument will continue on. And neither side will be correct till researchers can prove either way. " |
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Trevor, I don't even know where to begin.
interesting how some are so adamant that homosexuality is genetic and not a choice. And what if it is? What happens then?
Nothing happens then, why are you assuming I have some sort of motive with this? Why are you so adamant that it's a choice? Based on the data from multiple scientific disciplines and by actual accounts from gay people, i've come to the conclusion that it's not a choice.
Maybe it's a gene that lays dormant in everyone and something just triggers it in some. Toque, what if you have that current dormant gene?
Maybe, but thats not what the science points to, and even more so, it's not what we see. I'm a 32 year old male who got married this year, and have been with my SO (female) for several years before that and have never been attracted to anyone of the same sex, ever. Nor have i ever heard of anyone who wasn't bisexual, who suddenly conciously decided to switch their sexual preference. Everything we have seen, wether you want to accept that we are genetically predisposed to a certain preference or not says that for whatever reason, our sexuality is hardwired from an early age, and expresses around puberty and that we have no concious control of it.
An ex-girlfriend of mine, who's father, when she was about early teens, came out as being gay. Now, they're on good terms with one another now, and, being curious I asked her if she's ever spoken to him about it. She said that yes, she had and what he told her was that he was always attracted to other men, but felt ashamed about it and was afraid of what would happen if his very religious parents found out.
But as I've said before, the researchers only have what may be possible links and nothing definite. They have not proven anything yet. And even then, researchers caution that there may be many other factors. They are no where near to having a simple test done at birth to determine weather a child will growup homosexual.
Jesus, did I not already several times amplify this with a throat-clearing? YES THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS AT PLAY. But what is clearly implied is that its not a choice.
So the choice vs genetic is nowhere close to being determined as of right now. It's going to take many more studies and research. So the argument will continue on. And neither side will be correct till researchers can prove either way. "
Yes except, this is not entirely how science works. Simply because one side hasn't proven it's position for certain, does not then make the other position just as viable. There are degrees of certainty ranging from not certain at all to fairly certain to almost positive. There is rarely if at all 100% certainty. The gravitational theory still has some margin of doubt.
What it seems you're trying to do is the same thing we see when arguing with people who discount evolution. They attempt to poke holes in the theory in order to make their position look more plausible, and it's a fallacy.
In this case, there is more bits and pieces of data, including real life observation, that supports that homosexuality or, what gender you find sexually attractive, is no more a choice than liking apples more than oranges. Although I admit that taste in food can change.
The original reason I even touched on the birth vs choice argument was to make the point that generally the most common argument for denying same rights to homosexual couples is from a religious standpoint.
Now this is the point where some religious people on ebrandon are going to lose their collective minds so let me say this clearly before BigDaddy2 runs in here screaming that i've painted everyone with the same brush.
Not ALL religious people argue that homosexuals should be denied rights, but most arguments that homosexuals should be denied rights are religious ones. There is a difference here, please understand I don't think everyone who's religious is a bigot.
For those who DO make that argument, the biblical argument, if it turns out that you can't do anything about your sexual preference, now they're forced to square that circle because, why would god create someone gay if it's a sin. So this is why they're so hung up on it being a choice. Not saying that's YOUR position, Trevor. But that's generally the case with those types of very religious people.
Edited by Torque, 2015-09-01 07:47:37