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Thank you. I can assure you when we have a name to paint there faces with we will post it cananda wide if need be. So this way they never live this down. When justice is served they will spend an eternity regretting what they did and think twice the next time they want to beat anyone for that matter.

I cannot comment on what happened in the night in question, however, I did work at the bar for about 7 years. I worked in every level, including Management. When I was a bouncer, there was 7-8 bouncers on busy nights and 5-6 on slower nights. Our rule was to always keep other bouncers in view, and typically there was 2 bouncers over looking the dance floor, we also had radio to maintain contact. This was also when we wore cowboy hats and it was easy to spot other bouncers. However, it can be difficult to see with a crowded dance floor, even with 2 sets of eyes. Now, when I worked there, there was no major injuries to customers, but there was one just before I started when a customer had leg broken directly or indirectly by a bouncer (as per the customers veiw point). That case was taken to the courts, and I don't remember the outcome. When I was there, there was always pressure from Management not to use excessive force when handling a situation. I am proud to say that I never threw one punch as a bouncer there. Now, this has nothing to do with this situation, but some women seemed to know that bouncers had not recourse on them, so they would hit, spit an kick us. Just a little insight from the other side, from 10 years ago.

zookeper said " I was at Houston’s on Saturday night and witnessed 2 men (I use this term loosely), lay the boots on a WOMAN inside the bar! Like I mean fists and feet. At first glance I thought it was a guy, but was too small. I found out it was actually a woman from some of her friends. I saw this happening while I was upstairs and could not believe that NO ONE helped or stopped the fight AT ALL. No bouncers, no bystanders, no one. How could these guys assault a woman, never mind someone waaaay smaller then themselves and 2 against 1? I was sickened. How could something like this happen? I watched the guys LEAVE and she was in extremely bad, bad shape.     I hope she’s okay. I checked the BPS web-site and nothing has been posted. I’m sure Houston’s have cameras so it would have been recorded. I hope that someone came forward and that these scums get charged. No excuse for that behavior. None. I can’t stop thinking about it.     "

Well you should come forward and call the city police and make a report on what you had seen....this girl is in very bad shape and has a broken jaw....any information would be greatly appreciated by this young lady....I know if I was there and seen anything I sure would come forward...so please do the right thing MAKE A REPORT thanks

DiD said ""Why didn't you stop the fight" was asked...maybe because he/she didn't want to get the crap kicked out of him/her. I'd sooner mention it to a bouncer, it's their job to get their hands dirty. "

Fun there were 3 of them working and not one of them stopped these punks....What kinda men beat up on woman...LOSSERS I would have to say

myhandleistrain said "Should EVER raise his hand to a women. EVER! I truly wish I had have been there! I would have jumped in regardless of the odds. Hey you two dudes, want to face a fair fight?? "

If these guys are on here reading this any time any were....what kinda of losers are you to beat up a women wow...Sure can tell your mother did not raise you right in life..

Entropy said "I wonder what she did to provoke that... "

well I know friends of hers...they said the guys went to grab her friend on they dance floor and would not back off...So she told the guy to take a hick along with his friend and the next thing she new she was in the back of the ambulance....after getting a beating..

I'm sorry, I just skimmed this thread but did see the video on CTV and this appears to me to be a hate crime imho! It should never have happened and I am appalled that two people visited our city for a night out and had this happen. I hope the accused are caught (I think they will be) and justice will be done!

That must have been very disturbing to watch. I completely understand why you would not have jumped in to try to stop the assault.  
 
But please tell us that you have done more about this situation than post on eBrandon. Have you met with the police to make a statement ? That might help to find these scum. Did you go outside to get a description or plate number of their vehicle, or taxi ?  
 
When we are in these situations we must know our own physical limitations, but we can still use our brains to help out, rather than just our keyboards.  
 
To those posting that it is always wrong for a man to hit a woman: I agree entirely. The reverse is also no less true.

"I'm sorry, I just skimmed this thread but did see the video on CTV and this appears to me to be a hate crime imho!"  
 
Aren't all violent crimes hate crimes?  
 
Anyways, I worked at the bar a few years back, and on busy nights there are maybe 6-9 bouncers available for 500+ people at various stages of intoxication. Of those bouncers, at least 1-2 are stuck at the front door, where their whole attention is focused on keeping overly drunk people and underage kids out, checking IDs, letting VIP members in, helping with coat check, etc. So there's maybe a half dozen bouncers at any one time keeping an eye over hundreds of people in a dark and noisy building. It was hard to keep a solid watch on a good night but then add in all the problems of drunk people. Bouncers are less security guards and more daycare workers. One time I had to spend nearly 20 minutes explaining to this ignorant girl that she needed to put her shoes on, not just because we had a dress code and that it was gross as all else to have your shoes off in a bar (for yourself and others, just look at the floor of a nightclub next time you're in one) but that it was dangerous since there's all sorts of sharp stuff like glass on the ground. After she yeah yeah yeah'd me, put them on and walked away 5 minutes later her friend comes up and drags me over because this girl took her shoes off again the moment I left and cut her feet up on glass and hoo boy wasn't that my fault! There's guys who are too drunk to even stand who circle the building all night demanding to be let in, and you have to throw them out every five minutes because their buddies continually sneak them in through emergency doors.  
 
You're dealing with intoxicated, entitled people constantly and unlike how bouncers are popularly portrayed the vast majority of the time we treated them with kid gloves, meaning our attention is diverted for minutes at a time trying to non-violently escort out some idiot who thinks it's their right to smash a television or run off with the bartender's tip jar. Then something like this happens, the real job bouncers are hired for (protecting peaceful patrons from violent ones), and they probably didn't even know it happened because they were too busy dealing with idiots.  
 
Maybe instead of watching two guys boot stomp a girl into an ambulance, the dozens of guys surrounding them should have jumped in and stopped it. If these two men had enough time to inflict so much damage that she had to be hospitalized there was enough time for the so called men in the bar to step in. I know whenever I had to escort out a overly intoxicated and/or violent woman who had been assaulting others there was no shortage of knights leaping in to her defense and threatening me. Where were all these heroes when this girl needed them?  
 
Shame on all the men in the bar that night who witnessed it. If I found out someone I knew was up in the loft that night I'd be embarrassed to know them. Zero respect.

What makes this a hate crime?

The woman who was beaten is in a relationship with another woman. They were both at the bar. The article says the guys were trying to grab the beaten woman's fiancée  

I don't see how this is a hate crime at all. People are definitely over exaggerating. It's obvious the guys were drunk, wanted to dance with her fiancé, she said no back off, the guys didnt appreciate that and didn't realize she was a female and beat her.  
Yes, it was wrong. But no, it obviously wasn't a hate crime.  
If this was a guy punching out another guy because he was hitting on his girlfriend would you call it a hate crime? No not likely. So this isn't a hate crime either. Just some rude guys who thought fighting was the way to solve it and did not realize she was female.

Sadly this happens - likely was drama that night and appears to continue - this post should be cancelled as 99.9% of you likely weren't there and if any valuable info is around call Brandon's finest or houstons and don't judge or speculate on here. Shame on the negativity and stereotypes as you weren't there so you don't know what happened or what was said and who provoked who and who was all involved  

jetsrule said "Sadly this happens - likely was drama that night and appears to continue - this post should be cancelled as 99.9% of you likely weren't there and if any valuable info is around call Brandon's finest or houstons and don't judge or speculate on here. Shame on the negativity and stereotypes as you weren't there so you don't know what happened or what was said and who provoked who and who was all involved   "

You definitely have no idea whats what. This isn't something that just happens. Men don't beat women in public places just because they were rejected and didn't like it. I'm the victims sister and I do know the story. Could anybody ever provoke anyone to the point that you stomp them almost to death??? And a women yet!!!! There is no positivity to come out of this other than there needs to be answers as to how this happens. If these pathetic pieces of garbage are innocent or have a side to explain please by all means come forward and speak. They wouldn't be hiding if they were innocent believe that. This post shouldn't be removed as this is to shed light on how innocent women/anyone for that matter are attacked at random over nothing and hopefully it never happens to somebody else's family member. Also maybe businesses will up there security so this never happens again. I assure you you wouldn't think the same if this was your sister that experienced this because all that was said was NO!! We are not animals and should not be treated as pieces of meat that anyone is to touch or grab. Some of us have morals and worth thank you.

Sorry but I don't think anyone said it was right. All that was said is it DOES happen as there are some messed up people out there. We are all sorry for your sister.  
Maybe these guys do have another side of the story, they likely do.  
Also you can't assume they are hiding. Maybe they live in the states and haven't heard the Manitoba news, maybe they live in another province, maybe they were black our drunk and don't remember what they did.  
We just need to let the police do their work and hope someone comes out with information or a description and see what happens from there. Hopefully you do get answers but it's very likely you don't.

Oh tapes and identification will definitely do the trick. It just takes time thats all. Once it is they will be reveilled as the true winners they are! I will paint there faces all over the media.

Oh and p.s yes they are hiding and knew they did wrong or they wouldn't of ran out of there like the animals they are. Why not stick around if you did nothing wrong??? Two full grown men beating one 22 year old women. Sick if you ask me.

OK then.  
 
Edited by ka712, 2016-04-10 22:53:10

Hope your sister is feeling better and they catch these pricks soon!!!

Thank you so much for the well wishes. You and I both!! Just need time and they will be caught.

I'm paraphrasing by on the news video she said something along the lines of "words were exchanged and I thought they'd get the hint to back off"... I wonder what she said. There are many women who think they have a license to say whatever they want to a man who hits on them. Men get their butts kicked all the time for saying or doing something that lands them in trouble.  
You go girl!

No definitely not. I was not at the bar that night. Just looking at things from a different side. And the reason I stated is why 90% of fights happen at the bar, so yes I'm assuming.  
I feel terrible for this girl and the guys are obviously terrible people for doing this and need to be caught. If I had any information I would obviously come forward as no matter the person they need to be punished for what happened.

Someone was brutally beaten. It doesn't matter if it was a girl or a guy. It doesn't matter what she said to her attackers. It doesn't matter if they *thought* she was a he. It doesn't matter if they were drunk as skunks. What matters is they broke the law and need to be brought to justice. I wouldn't condone this happening to a man or a woman. A two on one fight is never fair. Breaking someone's jaw in 2 places and beating them until they are unconscious is vicious, cruel, and deserves the light shining brightly on the cowards who did this. I hope your sister is feeling better and makes a full physical and emotional recovery.  
 
Edited by Mommydearest, 2016-04-11 09:01:47

Thank you for that comment. That explains exactly what we think!! Much appreciated.

Keep in mind that this is a crime.  
Criminals like to "brag" about wrong doings! That said someone is bound to here of these activities. I hope that someone will come forward with all and what is known.  
Work together keeps us all safe!!

Whatalady said "Keep in mind that this is a crime.   Criminals like to "brag" about wrong doings! That said someone is bound to here of these activities. I hope that someone will come forward with all and what is known.   Work together keeps us all safe!! "

That is exactly what we are waiting for. The police are definitely on it and with time and bragging it's going to come out! Thanks for the response

Entropy said "I'm paraphrasing by on the news video she said something along the lines of "words were exchanged and I thought they'd get the hint to back off"... I wonder what she said. There are many women who think they have a license to say whatever they want to a man who hits on them. Men get their butts kicked all the time for saying or doing something that lands them in trouble.   You go girl! "

Maybe women wouldn't need to "think they have a license to say whatever they want to a man who hits on them" if those "men" would take no for an answer.

have a nice day said "    zookeper said " I was at Houston’s on Saturday night and witnessed 2 men (I use this term loosely), lay the boots on a WOMAN inside the bar! Like I mean fists and feet. At first glance I thought it was a guy, but was too small. I found out it was actually a woman from some of her friends. I saw this happening while I was upstairs and could not believe that NO ONE helped or stopped the fight AT ALL. No bouncers, no bystanders, no one. How could these guys assault a woman, never mind someone waaaay smaller then themselves and 2 against 1? I was sickened. How could something like this happen? I watched the guys LEAVE and she was in extremely bad, bad shape.     I hope she’s okay. I checked the BPS web-site and nothing has been posted. I’m sure Houston’s have cameras so it would have been recorded. I hope that someone came forward and that these scums get charged. No excuse for that behavior. None. I can’t stop thinking about it.     " Well you should come forward and call the city police and make a report on what you had seen....this girl is in very bad shape and has a broken jaw....any information would be greatly appreciated by this young lady....I know if I was there and seen anything I sure would come forward...so please do the right thing MAKE A REPORT thanks "

You started this thread but haven't commented since. Have you made a report?

I am trying to upload the surveillance photos via the police report but it keeps sending me to the login page.... then when I log in I get redirected to the home page. ???  
 
Anyway - pics here: http://police.brandon.ca/reports?platform=hootsuite  
http://police.brandon.ca/images/Houstons_1.JPG  

Congratulations to the City police for doing a good job ,of course there is also footage not shown of them coming strait on to the camera , Hurray !