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It disgusting and hypocritical that according to CBC both Trudeau and Mulcaire were invited to a detailed briefing of the TPP before its release to the public and both have declined. That is not leadership when you can't get over your hissy fit and at least look at the most important trade deal this country has ever had. Mulcaire might as well save his time as he already publicly stated he would rip it up!!! That's really mature of him. And Justin will appear he's giving it due process but we all know he'll sign his name to it !

I agree 100% with Jaxon's comment. Pretty sure every political party over the years has done some good things and all have had some dirt they'd like to sweep under the rug. I have some friends and relatives of all political stripes who are extremely partisan (passionate) towards their particular party but I gotta say, they sure haven't been fun to be around the last few weeks. Just glad love and friendship is stronger than politics or they wouldn't be talking to each other any more. I want to hear each party's platform and I just don't listen to their attack ads. I love the mute button on my remote!

EKOS shows the liberals going down from their 4.2 lead yesterday to just 0.9 today, with NDP losses as well, deemed not a surge.

Nice to see justins message of change. What change the same back room deals his dad cretien and Martin did to sell out canada for the benifite of the liberal party at the expense of Canada.  
 
As for what good voting independent does if enough people pull there heads out of their posteriors and went independent our votes would actually count. With first past the post or prop rep only the leader or backroom deals matter. Look at e may chomping at the bit to be king maker in this election. Her ideas can't garner enough support but she may be the defacto prime minister having the one or two votes to make a coalition. Independants this election might be able to make a difference.  
 
Edited by tafeel, 2015-10-15 19:00:43

SJK said "It disgusting and hypocritical that according to CBC both Trudeau and Mulcaire were invited to a detailed briefing of the TPP before its release to the public and both have declined. That is not leadership when you can't get over your hissy fit and at least look at the most important trade deal this country has ever had. Mulcaire might as well save his time as he already publicly stated he would rip it up!!! That's really mature of him. And Justin will appear he's giving it due process but we all know he'll sign his name to it ! "

Harper invited them to a secret discussion of the trade deal.  
 
Trudeau and Mulcair BOTH SAID MAKE IT KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC, no secret meetings. I see that as a good thing.  
 
Harper said he would release it BEFORE the election. What happened to that promise? Another one broken. . .

Yes, both Trudeau & Mulclair had to sign a confidentiality agreement before getting the information and according to the article, Kory Teneycke said the briefing was to be based on the chapter summaries, since the final text does not exist yet. So kind of just an overview of the trade deal.  
Not sure how you could make a decision on such a major deal with limited information about it.

SJK said "    JR said "    SJK said "https://ipolitics.ca/2015/10/14/liberal-campaign-co-chair-resigns-faces-possible-lobbying-investigation/     Why is a lobbyist working on the Liberal Campaign???? I guess the old boys club is still calling the shots in the backroom deals of the Liberal party! Some things will never change!   " So why is a foreign national managing the Conservative campaign? Isn't it against the law for non-Canadians to influence how we vote in our elections? Oh.. right. Harper changed the law so that he could cheat in an election. Some things will never change... " http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ndp-liberals-using-grassroots-mobilization-tactics-from-obama-campaigns/article22216447/ The NDP and Liberals using former Obama aides for their campaign because we all know how well Hope and Change has worked out for the Americans. You are also correct that there are many non Canadians/foreign money involved in our election and they all involve trying to eliminate PMSH and the Conservatives, yet that's probably A - Ok with you.     Edited by SJK, 2015-10-15 14:58:36"

Actually, it's not OK with me. Well, the part about getting rid of Harper is, but that's all. If the other campaigns are using foreigners not just as workers or advisors, but as actual managers of the campaign, then that is wrong. The only reason they could be doing it is that Harper has changed the law and they figure what's good for the goose is good for the gander, so the speak. That still doesn't make it right.  
 
Addendum: It appears as though the Aussie import has jumped from the sinking ship (not unlike many other high-profile members of Harper's team did pre-writ).  
 
http://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/10/15/news/lynton-crosby-ditches-harpers-flailing-campaign  
 
Edited by JR, 2015-10-15 23:34:32

SJK said "http://windsorstar.com/opinion/letters/tory-veteran-support-the-best-in-40-years "

So please explain to me why my neighbour, a veteran, says the exact opposite? There's always two sides to every coin. Besides, your story is about ONE veteran. Care to explain this website?  
 
http://www.veteransagainstconservatives.com/

I'm sure you are pretty excited about the 18 month maternity leave your hero is promising.  
 
I have young kids, we are not wealthy, but I planned on paying for my kids myself, turns out I don't have to.  
 
I get a grand a month for 2 kids, don't need it, but I get it, now we are going to pay people to be off work for 18 months?  
 
Makes me sick, people can make a career out of having kids and guess who will pay for it, that is why I cash those checks, I know I will need them to pay for everyone else's kids as well as the last few years of Harper's deficits.

So, i just heard that the Liberals plan to increase CPP premiums, raise EI premiums, and also "put a price on carbon".  
 
CPP close to $1000 for a working professional. Putting a carbon tax will make absolutely everything in Brandon cost more as its either shipped in or uses carbon producing energy.  
 
It makes me sad to think Justin could actually cost me so much that i can't drive home to see my family  
 
Are these facts well known?

The Conservatives only won by 500 votes last time. The Liberals almost took the Brandon seat. If your interested in kicking Harper out don't split the vote.  
 
If you think Harper is a great guy. Keep doing what your doing.

JR said "    SJK said "http://windsorstar.com/opinion/letters/tory-veteran-support-the-best-in-40-years " So please explain to me why my neighbour, a veteran, says the exact opposite? There's always two sides to every coin. Besides, your story is about ONE veteran. Care to explain this website?     http://www.veteransagainstconservatives.com/ "

The group you posted is being used as a pawn for the ABC group and is receiving funds from unions as they have publicly stated.  
 
Check out this group that has done no fundraising and accepts NO donations....Veterans for the Conservative Party of Canada  
 
Also can you link to me what Law Harper changed as I have no idea what you are talking about!!

swmb said "I'm sure you are pretty excited about the 18 month maternity leave your hero is promising.     I have young kids, we are not wealthy, but I planned on paying for my kids myself, turns out I don't have to.     I get a grand a month for 2 kids, don't need it, but I get it, now we are going to pay people to be off work for 18 months?     Makes me sick, people can make a career out of having kids and guess who will pay for it, that is why I cash those checks, I know I will need them to pay for everyone else's kids as well as the last few years of Harper's deficits. "

I can assure you that I'm well past the point that maternity benefits would benefit me. But FYI, the Liberals also have said they will increase it to 18 months and the NDP wants the state to raise your kids for $15 per day, of course all these daycare workers will be unionized so you may have to deal with the occasional strike or 2!

CheapTrickz said "    SJK said "It disgusting and hypocritical that according to CBC both Trudeau and Mulcaire were invited to a detailed briefing of the TPP before its release to the public and both have declined. That is not leadership when you can't get over your hissy fit and at least look at the most important trade deal this country has ever had. Mulcaire might as well save his time as he already publicly stated he would rip it up!!! That's really mature of him. And Justin will appear he's giving it due process but we all know he'll sign his name to it ! " Harper invited them to a secret discussion of the trade deal.     Trudeau and Mulcair BOTH SAID MAKE IT KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC, no secret meetings. I see that as a good thing.     Harper said he would release it BEFORE the election. What happened to that promise? Another one broken. . . "

All countries are working together to put the agreement into its final text for them to present to their governments for ratification. There is no final text yet. The Conservatives have asked for its release asap. Funny how industry leaders have been able to make an informed decision on what they have seen so far but the 2 guys running to lead the country couldn't be bothered!!!

In your above comment I believe there are some words that cause pause for people when it comes to voting conservative, not all people but some. The Conservative party favours industry and business, and your comment mention industry leaders, what about the ordinary Canadian.  
 
You could say that these agreements are for the ordinary Canadian as well as business but how many deals are signed with no thought of the future, a lumber agreement was signed with the US and a number of $320 per thousand board feet was used with no consideration given to the future regarding increases in cost of production, this was signed by government in our best interests, but I think not. Also where is the voice of our government when it comes to the COOL legislation in the US, is it that only certain industries get help.

The 2 guys running who didn't want to see it also would've had to sign a confidentiality agreement to do so. If it is so great, that shouldn't have been an issue. I have voted conservative in the past, and probably will again someday, but frankly the Conservative tactics of the past 3 years have lost me. The sky will not fall on October 20th, regardless of who we elect. I truly do not care who you vote for because Canada will chug on, just hopefully a little faster.  
 
Side note: Anyone who truly cares about what drives our economy, buy local and if not, at least read some labels and look for "Made In Canada" We can all sit and whine about the economy, but if we want to face the truth, our love of cheap, foreign made goods is what has put us here.

don brown said "In your above comment I believe there are some words that cause pause for people when it comes to voting conservative, not all people but some. The Conservative party favours industry and business, and your comment mention industry leaders, what about the ordinary Canadian.     You could say that these agreements are for the ordinary Canadian as well as business but how many deals are signed with no thought of the future, a lumber agreement was signed with the US and a number of $320 per thousand board feet was used with no consideration given to the future regarding increases in cost of production, this was signed by government in our best interests, but I think not. Also where is the voice of our government when it comes to the COOL legislation in the US, is it that only certain industries get help. "

maybe I should rephrase that to include business leaders who own the companies that employ ordinary Canadians. I work for a manufacturing company here in Brandon that will now have the opportunity to market itself to 800 million new customers in the agriculture sector. Will it be good for this ordinary Canadian, yes it will. It will ensure our jobs and with the growth will enable us to hire more skilled trades that pay well.

Mommydearest said "The 2 guys running who didn't want to see it also would've had to sign a confidentiality agreement to do so. If it is so great, that shouldn't have been an issue. I have voted conservative in the past, and probably will again someday, but frankly the Conservative tactics of the past 3 years have lost me. The sky will not fall on October 20th, regardless of who we elect. I truly do not care who you vote for because Canada will chug on, just hopefully a little faster.     Side note: Anyone who truly cares about what drives our economy, buy local and if not, at least read some labels and look for "Made In Canada" We can all sit and whine about the economy, but if we want to face the truth, our love of cheap, foreign made goods is what has put us here. "

would have had to sign one as that is the nature of the deal for all countries until the legal text is ready to be released. All countries to this deal will be under the same restrictions. It's not being held up by Harper but all the countries have agreed to the process which we see before us.  

you think this trade deal will open the doors to a good part of the world for YOUR trade but...  
 
All we have to do is look to NAFA as a whole. The Americans just thumb their nose at us anyway when it comes to COOL, lumber and steel just to name a few and even after years of challenges we have lost billions of dollars to tariffs and other protectionist roadblocks.

DarMar said "you think this trade deal will open the doors to a good part of the world for YOUR trade but...     All we have to do is look to NAFA as a whole. The Americans just thumb their nose at us anyway when it comes to COOL, lumber and steel just to name a few and even after years of challenges we have lost billions of dollars to tariffs and other protectionist roadblocks. "

are some of the best paying jobs in the country and I thought the NDP was focusing on lost manufacturing jobs?

SJK said "    Mommydearest said "The 2 guys running who didn't want to see it also would've had to sign a confidentiality agreement to do so. If it is so great, that shouldn't have been an issue. I have voted conservative in the past, and probably will again someday, but frankly the Conservative tactics of the past 3 years have lost me. The sky will not fall on October 20th, regardless of who we elect. I truly do not care who you vote for because Canada will chug on, just hopefully a little faster.     Side note: Anyone who truly cares about what drives our economy, buy local and if not, at least read some labels and look for "Made In Canada" We can all sit and whine about the economy, but if we want to face the truth, our love of cheap, foreign made goods is what has put us here. " would have had to sign one as that is the nature of the deal for all countries until the legal text is ready to be released. All countries to this deal will be under the same restrictions. It's not being held up by Harper but all the countries have agreed to the process which we see before us.   "

Too shady all around for my liking. We were promised the full text before the election, and then we can't even see the chapter summaries. I don't care about the other countries, I want to see what the guy asking me to re-elect him for four more years is negotiating on my behalf before I vote. Personally, I feel they weren't negotiating in good faith this close to an election and the other countries will (rightfully) be mad at us if a change of government mucks it all up.

Mommydearest said "    SJK said "    Mommydearest said "The 2 guys running who didn't want to see it also would've had to sign a confidentiality agreement to do so. If it is so great, that shouldn't have been an issue. I have voted conservative in the past, and probably will again someday, but frankly the Conservative tactics of the past 3 years have lost me. The sky will not fall on October 20th, regardless of who we elect. I truly do not care who you vote for because Canada will chug on, just hopefully a little faster.     Side note: Anyone who truly cares about what drives our economy, buy local and if not, at least read some labels and look for "Made In Canada" We can all sit and whine about the economy, but if we want to face the truth, our love of cheap, foreign made goods is what has put us here. " would have had to sign one as that is the nature of the deal for all countries until the legal text is ready to be released. All countries to this deal will be under the same restrictions. It's not being held up by Harper but all the countries have agreed to the process which we see before us.   " Too shady all around for my liking. We were promised the full text before the election, and then we can't even see the chapter summaries. I don't care about the other countries, I want to see what the guy asking me to re-elect him for four more years is negotiating on my behalf before I vote. Personally, I feel they weren't negotiating in good faith this close to an election and the other countries will (rightfully) be mad at us if a change of government mucks it all up. "

There have been negotiations going on for 7 years. I highly doubt that the other 11 countries were working on our timeline. This will still be debated in Parliament for all to see before it is ratified, it's not a done deal yet!  

SJK said "    DarMar said "you think this trade deal will open the doors to a good part of the world for YOUR trade but...     All we have to do is look to NAFA as a whole. The Americans just thumb their nose at us anyway when it comes to COOL, lumber and steel just to name a few and even after years of challenges we have lost billions of dollars to tariffs and other protectionist roadblocks. " are some of the best paying jobs in the country and I thought the NDP was focusing on lost manufacturing jobs? "

missed the point. With any trade agreement there are winners AND there are losers as history has clearly shown.  
 
There WILL be losers with this trade deal as well but all Harper wants to do is pound his chest about what a great deal his government has negotiated for some sectors of the Canadian economy without telling us voting Canadians who will lose and how much they will be losing.  
 
Of course now, with this secretive deal being concluded during an election campaign, it leaves most to wonder what we have given up hastily to conclude a deal during an election campaign so the desperate Cons can try to use it to get re-elected.  
 
Now their story has changed and we are told we will only find out those details AFTER the fact and that is the problem here!!!

DarMar said "    SJK said "    DarMar said "you think this trade deal will open the doors to a good part of the world for YOUR trade but...     All we have to do is look to NAFA as a whole. The Americans just thumb their nose at us anyway when it comes to COOL, lumber and steel just to name a few and even after years of challenges we have lost billions of dollars to tariffs and other protectionist roadblocks. " are some of the best paying jobs in the country and I thought the NDP was focusing on lost manufacturing jobs? " missed the point. With any trade agreement there are winners AND there are losers as history has clearly shown.     There WILL be losers with this trade deal as well but all Harper wants to do is pound his chest about what a great deal his government has negotiated for some sectors of the Canadian economy without telling us voting Canadians who will lose and how much they will be losing.     Of course now, with this secretive deal being concluded during an election campaign, it leaves most to wonder what we have given up hastily to conclude a deal during an election campaign so the desperate Cons can try to use it to get re-elected.     Now their story has changed and we are told we will only find out those details AFTER the fact and that is the problem here!!! "

miss the point. These talks have been going on for 7 years and if you believe that the other 11 countries said to Harper OK lets get this done so you can champion it in your country during your election campaign then I have some swampland to sell you. I know progressives like to blame Harper for everything but you're really stretching it on this one. Have you heard any of the 11 countries releasing the deal to their electorate? No? Why do you think that is?  
Vote NDP if you don't want a trade deal!

I don't know about you, but I didn't change a whole lot as a person over a period of a year or so, especially after I was over the age of forty. How about you? After you were in your 40's did you suddenly change into a different person over a period of a year or so? I'm not talking about putting on the appearance of having changed while "experts" are telling you how to talk, how to walk, what body language to communicate and what to say or, more importantly, what not to say. No, I'm talking about real inner change.  
 
If you want a Prime Minister who kisses up to brutal dictators, oppressive religious theocracies and communist regimes and refuses to call a terrorist a terrorist, then Stephen Harper is not your man. In a world full of brutal dictators and murderous regimes, it was nice to see our Canadian Prime Minister stand up to one of them.  
 
VIDEO: (YouTube) Stephen Harper Putin Get Out Of Ukraine  
 
 
 
If you are a Canadian, you almost certainly had to feel proud of our Prime Minister, no matter what your political allegiance. It was a much different response than Justin Trudeau's off color joke about the Ukraine crisis.  
 
VIDEO: (YouTube) Justin Trudeau Ukraine  
 
 
 
It was hard to feel as proud of Justin Trudeau after he put his foot in his mouth with this ridiculous comment. Yeah, I know, that was over a whole year ago and he's a different person now.  
 
There was a time when I used to vote Liberal. That was before I realized that all of the stupid politically correct legislation put in place during the 1970's, while Pierre Trudeau was in office, was working against me. Take Employment Equity, for example. Employment Equity was intended to make certain that Canadian born, English speaking, able bodied males would be considered last, if at all, for government jobs. I was faced with that nice politically correct gesture while I was desperately seeking a job. I was born here, grew up here and was expected to pay taxes here to help support a government that wanted to exclude me, all the while going around preaching "inclusion". I won't go into every single issue that helped turn me away from the Liberals, but that was one of them. Another was the way the Liberals, under Chretien, were so desperate to get patted on the back by the United Nations for doing the politically correct thing, that they signed Canada onto the Kyoto Accord before, as Minister of Environment at that time, Christine Stewart, admitted they even knew what was in the agreement. They signed it and would find out what was in it later! It's amazing how Liberal supporters and the rest on the left seemed perfectly fine with that. In your own personal affairs, would they sign a contract first with the intention of reading it later? Then there's the Constitution, the one given to us by Pierre Trudeau and his Liberals, the constitution that doesn't protect Property Rights and barely protects Freedom of Speech. No where in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms are Property Rights protected and protection of free speech isn't really mentioned either. Freedom of Expression is protected, barely and you have to assume that free speech is protected as speech is a form of expressing yourself. However, the protection of Freedom of Expression should have been followed by a clause that read something like "no law shall be imposed to restrict freedom of speech or expression." Now don't go throwing that old chiche at me about "yelling fire in a crowded movie theatre." It doesn't mean that. It means that no one should have to fear being arrested and charged with a crime for expressing their opinion, even if their opinion may be considered offensive by some people. Somehow, Pierre and the Liberals conveniently forgot to include real protection of Free Speech and protection of property in the Charter.  
 
It's a known fact, maybe not well known, but never the less a fact that Pierre Trudeau was considered a Marxist for his affiliation with the Bloc Populaire and other groups that had very close ties to the Communist Party. I can't help but wonder if maybe, just maybe, that may have something to do with the fact that he didn't feel it necessary to entrench real Freedom of Speech protections and protection of Property Rights in the Canadian Constitution. If you look around the world at countries that have or have had Communist governments, freedom of speech and property rights are not something that was highly valued. Now I know Liberal supporters will all tell us that "the apple always falls far from the tree", sometimes even way over in the next orchard, LOL, but you have to wonder why Justin would say that he admires one of the worst governments in the world when it comes to violations of Human Rights, a Communist government that silences Free Speech with an iron fist.  
 
VIDEO: (YouTube) Justin Trudeau China (CTV Video with Lisa La Flamme)  
 
 
 
He also stated at the same time that "their basic dictatorship is allowing them to go Greenest fastest. There is a flexibility in that..." He then went on to blurt out some nonsense about Stephen Harper wishing he had a dictatorship, but he unwittingly made a very important point. That point? That the environmentalists desperately need a dictatorship in order to force their green agenda down our throats, something that I have maintained for years and one of the main reasons that I believe Trudeau and the Liberals left protection of Property Rights out of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.  
 
Justin Trudeau can say that he admires an oppressive Communist regime that constantly violates human rights and his supporters are okay with it. I wonder what the reaction of those Justin Trudeau supporters and others on the left would have been if Stephen Harper would have said that he admired Adolph Hitler for the way that he built up Germany after World War One and the bleak years of the Weimar Republic?  
 
Stephen Harper didn't say that, by the way, but I can just imagine the left's reaction if he had.  
 
Stephen Harper hasn't gone around the world signing Canada on to stupid politically correct agreements, putting our nation's best interests at risk, just to get praised by the United Nations, an organization made up of sadistic tin horn dictators, repressive religious theocracies and hostile regimes, an organization that the majority of the left in this country would love to see become the fourth level of government, the "One World Government" if you will. So, when it come down to who I want representing Canada as our Prime Minister, it ain't Justin Trudeau.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Edited by Triplethreat, 2015-10-16 13:55:32

can have an educated opinion on this trade deal until they know all the details, EXACTLY what Justin has said and Mulcair is against it well, just because!!!  
 
You are running around telling one and all how great this trade deal is and all you know is what Steve has led you to believe with his talking points.  
 
If there is swap land to be bought it might be you as you continue to make decisions without being informed.  
 
The voting public should not use this trade deal as a factor in any way when deciding how to vote.  

Triplethreat said "I don't know about you, but I didn't change a whole lot as a person over a period of a year or so, especially after I was over the age of forty. How about you? After you were in your 40's did you suddenly change into a different person over a period of a year or so? I'm not talking about putting on the appearance of having changed while "experts" are telling you how to talk, how to walk, what body language to communicate and what to say or, more importantly, what not to say. No, I'm talking about real inner change.     If you want a Prime Minister who kisses up to brutal dictators, oppressive religious theocracies and communist regimes and refuses to call a terrorist a terrorist, then Stephen Harper is not your man. In a world full of brutal dictators and murderous regimes, it was nice to see our Canadian Prime Minister stand up to one of them.     VIDEO: (YouTube) Stephen Harper Putin Get Out Of Ukraine         If you are a Canadian, you almost certainly had to feel proud of our Prime Minister, no matter what your political allegiance. It was a much different response than Justin Trudeau's off color joke about the Ukraine crisis.     VIDEO: (YouTube) Justin Trudeau Ukraine         It was hard to feel as proud of Justin Trudeau after he put his foot in his mouth with this ridiculous comment. Yeah, I know, that was over a whole year ago and he's a different person now.     There was a time when I used to vote Liberal. That was before I realized that all of the stupid politically correct legislation put in place during the 1970's, while Pierre Trudeau was in office, was working against me. Take Employment Equity, for example. Employment Equity was intended to make certain that Canadian born, English speaking, able bodied males would be considered last, if at all, for government jobs. I was faced with that nice politically correct gesture while I was desperately seeking a job. I was born here, grew up here and was expected to pay taxes here to help support a government that wanted to exclude me, all the while going around preaching "inclusion". I won't go into every single issue that helped turn me away from the Liberals, but that was one of them. Another was the way the Liberals, under Chretien, were so desperate to get patted on the back by the United Nations for doing the politically correct thing, that they signed Canada onto the Kyoto Accord before, as Minister of Environment at that time, Christine Stewart, admitted they even knew what was in the agreement. They signed it and would find out what was in it later! It's amazing how Liberal supporters and the rest on the left seemed perfectly fine with that. In your own personal affairs, would they sign a contract first with the intention of reading it later? Then there's the Constitution, the one given to us by Pierre Trudeau and his Liberals, the constitution that doesn't protect Property Rights and barely protects Freedom of Speech. No where in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms are Property Rights protected and protection of free speech isn't really mentioned either. Freedom of Expression is protected, barely and you have to assume that free speech is protected as speech is a form of expressing yourself. However, the protection of Freedom of Expression should have been followed by a clause that read something like "no law shall be imposed to restrict freedom of speech or expression." Now don't go throwing that old chiche at me about "yelling fire in a crowded movie theatre." It doesn't mean that. It means that no one should have to fear being arrested and charged with a crime for expressing their opinion, even if their opinion may be considered offensive by some people. Somehow, Pierre and the Liberals conveniently forgot to include real protection of Free Speech and protection of property in the Charter.     It's a known fact, maybe not well known, but never the less a fact that Pierre Trudeau was considered a Marxist for his affiliation with the Bloc Populaire and other groups that had very close ties to the Communist Party. I can't help but wonder if maybe, just maybe, that may have something to do with the fact that he didn't feel it necessary to entrench real Freedom of Speech protections and protection of Property Rights in the Canadian Constitution. If you look around the world at countries that have or have had Communist governments, freedom of speech and property rights are not something that was highly valued. Now I know Liberal supporters will all tell us that "the apple always falls far from the tree", sometimes even way over in the next orchard, LOL, but you have to wonder why Justin would say that he admires one of the worst governments in the world when it comes to violations of Human Rights, a Communist government that silences Free Speech with an iron fist.     VIDEO: (YouTube) Justin Trudeau China (CTV Video with Lisa La Flamme)         He also stated at the same time that "their basic dictatorship is allowing them to go Greenest fastest. There is a flexibility in that..." He then went on to blurt out some nonsense about Stephen Harper wishing he had a dictatorship, but he unwittingly made a very important point. That point? That the environmentalists desperately need a dictatorship in order to force their green agenda down our throats, something that I have maintained for years and one of the main reasons that I believe Trudeau and the Liberals left protection of Property Rights out of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.     Justin Trudeau can say that he admires an oppressive Communist regime that constantly violates human rights and his supporters are okay with it. I wonder what the reaction of those Justin Trudeau supporters and others on the left would have been if Stephen Harper would have said that he admired Adolph Hitler for the way that he built up Germany after World War One and the bleak years of the Weimar Republic?     Stephen Harper didn't say that, by the way, but I can just imagine the left's reaction if he had.     Stephen Harper hasn't gone around the world signing Canada on to stupid politically correct agreements, putting our nation's best interests at risk, just to get praised by the United Nations, an organization made up of sadistic tin horn dictators, repressive religious theocracies and hostile regimes, an organization that the majority of the left in this country would love to see become the fourth level of government, the "One World Government" if you will. So, when it come down to who I want representing Canada as our Prime Minister, it ain't Justin Trudeau.                     Edited by Triplethreat, 2015-10-16 13:55:32"

for that post but I want to just point out one more thing. That Charter was forced on the people of Canada by PET without our voice and he wouldn't hold a referendum. Now that was a dictator! Dar-Mar Where have I asked anyone to vote for the Conservatives because of the TPP?

I remember the seventies, I remember our terrorist problems right here in Canada, I remember prime minister Trudeau and the war measure act and I remember the whining of a certain party about getting tough on terrorists. Triplethreat would you like to tell the people which party complained so much about the actions of the prime minister and liberal government on getting tough on terrorist. Remember the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Your political master, and provider of talking points, would be proud. You have done an excellent job of continuing the politics of fear and loathing. Telling Canadians about all of the things they should be afraid of, and then that only Stephen Harper and the CPC can save us from those fears, seems to be the main strategy.  
 
Personally, I prefer optimism over fear. We live in a great country with amazing opportunities. This is not the result of the last nine years of government alone. I will not give in to those who suggest that anyone but Harper will result in a unstable society.  
 
I believe that governments are like diapers and need to be changed once in a while before they are full of the same thing and begin to stink. I think now is the time.  
 

standard standard h8r said "Your political master, and provider of talking points, would be proud. You have done an excellent job of continuing the politics of fear and loathing. Telling Canadians about all of the things they should be afraid of, and then that only Stephen Harper and the CPC can save us from those fears, seems to be the main strategy.     Personally, I prefer optimism over fear. We live in a great country with amazing opportunities. This is not the result of the last nine years of government alone. I will not give in to those who suggest that anyone but Harper will result in a unstable society.     I believe that governments are like diapers and need to be changed once in a while before they are full of the same thing and begin to stink. I think now is the time.     "

actually listen to angry Tom and Junior one would wonder who is really about loathing and fear. I've heard enough from both of them.  
You go vote for your hope and change and see how those pay the bills for you!