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Stoned drivers are probably about as dangerous as elderly drivers

Enfyre said "Stoned drivers are probably about as dangerous as elderly drivers "

Because they drive s-l-o-w-l-y and c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y....  

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/20/justin-trudeau-canada-victory-marijuana-industry-cannabis  
 
Edited by RaeLin, 2015-10-20 22:13:04

It'll definitely be a couple years before anything substantial happens. There will be a step program in place, starting with the decrimilization, which then leads up to the issues of court rulings and bringing people out of prison (just under 50% inmates are on marijuana charges) so that will take the longest forsure. Then there's the matter that seems to be flying under the radar, at what age do you make it legal? Many would assume 18, but seeing as weed is most harmful to youth from ages (and below obviously) 15-17. Would we be that naive to make it that accessible to youth with brains still developing? Or would we be better off to opt for an age of 19, or even 21? Curious as to what others think

The legalization of marijuana should have happened a very long time ago. Take away the taboo and treat it like alcohol and cigarettes. Make the laws, tax it to death and watch the money roll in to pay for all the promises made. It will alleviate court rooms and jails of babysitting people who smoked a joint and they can concentrate their efforts on real criminals, I for one will be happy to support less people in jail and then that money can go to better things...like nursing homes.  
It would be a DUI just like booze, it would not be allowed around children just like cigarettes and people will either abide or not just like always. It will be a choice just like many other choices.  
Some people choose one way and others not so this will never please everyone but then again nothing does.  
 
Edited by HLF, 2015-10-21 12:18:29

I doubt it'll be legalized for public consumption. I'm sure there will be legal limits for active THC in regards to driving that will be included in the DUI guidelines.  
 
I say go ahead and legalize it. We'll need the tax revenue to cover some of JT's campaign promises and, well I never heard of anyone dying of a marijuana poisoning or overdose so it's already leaps & bounds ahead of alcohol. Maybe they can afford to do some research into how to make it not smell like the spray of a skunk.

It seems alot just dont know, sorry but saying drugs are bad, but weed is ok? For your info, tobacco, alcohol ... hell even tylenol are drugs!! Some drugs are bad, some are not.  
I seen another say, great now we gotta deal with stoned drivers ..... trust me you already do !!  
Im sure most saying i doubt he will legalize and just decriminalize, im gonna say i hope he follows his promise .... and makes it totally legal for reactional use like he said he will, but only see it when it happens. =)  
 
@ Mela .... not all of it smells like skunk, thats probably skunk weed u smelled .... theres many many varieties =)  
 
This legalization will happen sooner than later im sure, they will want to collect the tax dollars asap, if anybody actually listened to Justin's plan with this money would know he wants it legal asap.

Mela said "I doubt it'll be legalized for public consumption. I'm sure there will be legal limits for active THC in regards to driving that will be included in the DUI guidelines.     I say go ahead and legalize it. We'll need the tax revenue to cover some of JT's campaign promises and, well I never heard of anyone dying of a marijuana poisoning or overdose so it's already leaps & bounds ahead of alcohol. Maybe they can afford to do some research into how to make it not smell like the spray of a skunk. "

Trudeau has already stated he will push to have it legalized for public recreational use based on the Colorado model: which means that there will be weed vendors just like beer vendors, edibles will also be available (totally different effect and no smell )  
 
True, no-one has ever overdosed on marijuana while hundreds of thousands die annually from tobacco, alcohol and prescription drugs which no-one has issues with. Well, maybe a few have issues but not enough to change things.  
 
Vaping removes the smell as well to near imperceptible levels.....  
 
My question now is - I am getting it medically, what will change for me?  
 
Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2015-10-21 16:13:23

It has been prescribed to people in Canada for all that ails you ,, they have handed out licenses to grow it for your own private use, I think its coming

Cee Jay 55 said "    Mela said "I doubt it'll be legalized for public consumption. I'm sure there will be legal limits for active THC in regards to driving that will be included in the DUI guidelines.     I say go ahead and legalize it. We'll need the tax revenue to cover some of JT's campaign promises and, well I never heard of anyone dying of a marijuana poisoning or overdose so it's already leaps & bounds ahead of alcohol. Maybe they can afford to do some research into how to make it not smell like the spray of a skunk. " Trudeau has already stated he will push to have it legalized for public recreational use based on the Colorado model: which means that there will be weed vendors just like beer vendors, edibles will also be available (totally different effect and no smell )     True, no-one has ever overdosed on marijuana while hundreds of thousands die annually from tobacco, alcohol and prescription drugs which no-one has issues with. Well, maybe a few have issues but not enough to change things.     Vaping removes the smell as well to near imperceptible levels.....     My question now is - I am getting it medically, what will change for me?     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2015-10-21 16:13:23"

Lol...I slipped up. when I said "public consumption I didn't mean consumption by the public. I was referring more to consumption IN public. I think Colorado issues citations to people openly smoking pot on the street as they would with people drinking on the street, no?

Mela said "    Cee Jay 55 said "    Mela said "I doubt it'll be legalized for public consumption. I'm sure there will be legal limits for active THC in regards to driving that will be included in the DUI guidelines.     I say go ahead and legalize it. We'll need the tax revenue to cover some of JT's campaign promises and, well I never heard of anyone dying of a marijuana poisoning or overdose so it's already leaps & bounds ahead of alcohol. Maybe they can afford to do some research into how to make it not smell like the spray of a skunk. " Trudeau has already stated he will push to have it legalized for public recreational use based on the Colorado model: which means that there will be weed vendors just like beer vendors, edibles will also be available (totally different effect and no smell )     True, no-one has ever overdosed on marijuana while hundreds of thousands die annually from tobacco, alcohol and prescription drugs which no-one has issues with. Well, maybe a few have issues but not enough to change things.     Vaping removes the smell as well to near imperceptible levels.....     My question now is - I am getting it medically, what will change for me?     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2015-10-21 16:13:23" Lol...I slipped up. when I said "public consumption I didn't mean consumption by the public. I was referring more to consumption IN public. I think Colorado issues citations to people openly smoking pot on the street as they would with people drinking on the street, no? "

Gotchya, and I agree, treat it the way alcohol is treated - even though we know it is not anywhere near as bad, it does need to be regulated.  
 
Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2015-10-21 16:34:59

Our new PM stated (aprox) a couple weeks ago that it was going to be on his agenda right away after becoming PM for making it legal.

How long did it take individual states like Colorado to implement regulations, sales permits and tax schemes once pot was make legal there? Not very long, I don't think. Just sayin'...

Took less than 30 business days after the vote to have it signed into law. But about another 8 months to implement the retail code.

JohnStamen said "Our new PM stated (aprox) a couple weeks ago that it was going to be on his agenda right away after becoming PM for making it legal. "

If this issue is first on JT's agenda then our country is in trouble!

Johnbisonbear said "    JohnStamen said "Our new PM stated (aprox) a couple weeks ago that it was going to be on his agenda right away after becoming PM for making it legal. " If this issue is first on JT's agenda then our country is in trouble! "

It's almost funny that, increased revenue, job creation, lessen the burden on our legal system so we can focus on violent crimes, less people in prison and the blow that this would do to organized crimes wallet is seen as a bad thing.  
 
It should be a top priority when it would be so easy to do and have so many benefits.

Colorado made 44 million tax revenue in 2014, this year is on track to bring in 125 million.  
 
In theory, if Canada modeled the policy of Colorado, adjusted for the 6.6x population, Canada would bring in 290 million first year, and 825 million the following year. That's on top of the money saved out of the judicial system.

I like the way you think Rug......Get it done and start collecting the revenue so it can be used for so many other great things!  
 

Im sure it will be regulated...just as tobacco and alcohol sales are. And of course that works perfectly, doesn't it. No minors smoking or drinking around here.

People used to believe the same regarding alcohol years ago, and it has now gone to a system where it is taxed, strongly regulated, and most importantly, studied by experts to determine the real cost/benefit. When something is considered "illegal", it is frowned upon to invest any government funding into research and development, and more of the focus goes into "deterance" mode to instill fear (ie:"if you smoke weed the terrorists win",etc.) If marijuana is legalized and regulated, not only will there be economical gain with tax revenue and less stress on the judical system, but there will be funds distributed to properly and safely market the product to adults, and like tobacco and alcohol, try to make sure it is not getting into the hands of children. The only reason it is so dangerous right now is not marijuana itself, but the criminal aspect of it.

Enfyre said "Colorado made 44 million tax revenue in 2014, this year is on track to bring in 125 million.     In theory, if Canada modeled the policy of Colorado, adjusted for the 6.6x population, Canada would bring in 290 million first year, and 825 million the following year. That's on top of the money saved out of the judicial system. "

It's good, also, to point out that many of these people were already buying and smoking weed. The law just means they are no longer shady criminals and instead are contributing tax revenue to the government while having a safe place to source their product. Say what you want, I'd rather see this money in our economy than some drug-runner's pockets.

really help with pain? Or does it just make someone so stoned they don't realize they are in pain? You know, kind of like what booze does to a person.

Rug said "    Johnbisonbear said "    JohnStamen said "Our new PM stated (aprox) a couple weeks ago that it was going to be on his agenda right away after becoming PM for making it legal. " If this issue is first on JT's agenda then our country is in trouble! " It's almost funny that, increased revenue, job creation, lessen the burden on our legal system so we can focus on violent crimes, less people in prison and the blow that this would do to organized crimes wallet is seen as a bad thing.     It should be a top priority when it would be so easy to do and have so many benefits. "

you will find anyone in Prison with a simple pot possession charge so I don't think that there are going to be less people in prison. If they are going to legalize it, then unless you are an approved vendor and have paid your municipal licensing etc., etc. if you get caught selling it then you should be doing some time in jail. Growing it without a license will probably still be considered a crime.  
 

Johnbisonbear said "really help with pain? Or does it just make someone so stoned they don't realize they are in pain? You know, kind of like what booze does to a person. "

It most certainly does help for pain, and the effects are not the same as recreational use. I use MJ for Migraines, and now have a prescription for it. Years of Demerol and Gravol shots, tried every medication on the market, all the "ergots", the needles....and nothing has worked like MJ. At the first sign of a migraine, I vape a bud, lie down and within 10 minutes the nausea is GONE, I take an OTC pain pill, and another 20 minutes I am up and walking around. I am not baked, the active ingredients target my pain receptors, not the pleasure ones.  
 
Edited to add: I don't use recreational MJ, its not my thing. I prefer a rum.  
 
 
 
Edited by on-second-thought, 2015-10-22 22:29:33

on-second-thought said "    Johnbisonbear said "really help with pain? Or does it just make someone so stoned they don't realize they are in pain? You know, kind of like what booze does to a person. " It most certainly does help for pain, and the effects are not the same as recreational use. I use MJ for Migraines, and now have a prescription for it. Years of Demerol and Gravol shots, tried every medication on the market, all the "ergots", the needles....and nothing has worked like MJ. At the first sign of a migraine, I vape a bud, lie down and within 10 minutes the nausea is GONE, I take an OTC pain pill, and another 20 minutes I am up and walking around. I am not baked, the active ingredients target my pain receptors, not the pleasure ones.     Edited to add: I don't use recreational MJ, its not my thing. I prefer a rum.         Edited by on-second-thought, 2015-10-22 22:29:33"

what is that?  
 
I know MJ is from the earth and anything Mother Nature grows can be beneficial, just have spoken to too many people who are stoned and can't follow a conversation because they are baked.

Johnbisonbear said "    on-second-thought said "    Johnbisonbear said "really help with pain? Or does it just make someone so stoned they don't realize they are in pain? You know, kind of like what booze does to a person. " It most certainly does help for pain, and the effects are not the same as recreational use. I use MJ for Migraines, and now have a prescription for it. Years of Demerol and Gravol shots, tried every medication on the market, all the "ergots", the needles....and nothing has worked like MJ. At the first sign of a migraine, I vape a bud, lie down and within 10 minutes the nausea is GONE, I take an OTC pain pill, and another 20 minutes I am up and walking around. I am not baked, the active ingredients target my pain receptors, not the pleasure ones.     Edited to add: I don't use recreational MJ, its not my thing. I prefer a rum.         Edited by on-second-thought, 2015-10-22 22:29:33" what is that?     I know MJ is from the earth and anything Mother Nature grows can be beneficial, just have spoken to too many people who are stoned and can't follow a conversation because they are baked. "

Those people are the weed equivalent of alcoholics. I meet more people that can't speak or act rationally/properly/maturely because they are drunk and stupid.  
 
But i know what you mean..... keep in mind you probably meet several people a day who are "high" on pot but you can't tell.

To know what happens to drug testing for work purposes. Will marijuana still be tested for pre-employment if it's legalized? What amount in somebody's system is ok?

Im enjoying all the comments from both sides of this. As for walking down the street smoking a joint..... who says people don't already do that.... and do it legally. I suggest many of the people take a good read up on what is already permitted to some people. As for sitting outside the mall or a Wheat Kings game.... there are already people who do that... again.... entirely on the right side of the law. People do possess medical cards in Canada that allow this. In many Canadian cities there have been centers where people can go and taste test product, purchase product. This really isn't going to be anything new to those who are properly educated on the topic. To those who seem to be arrogant enough to be bashing the need of smoking medically or recreationally, your lack of education on marijuana is shining through. Maybe you should stick to the things you know about..... like tying your shoelaces. Again.... this has been going on for a very long time. Embrace it or not.... it will happen.

geminiguy27 said "Im enjoying all the comments from both sides of this. As for walking down the street smoking a joint..... who says people don't already do that.... and do it legally. I suggest many of the people take a good read up on what is already permitted to some people. As for sitting outside the mall or a Wheat Kings game.... there are already people who do that... again.... entirely on the right side of the law. People do possess medical cards in Canada that allow this. In many Canadian cities there have been centers where people can go and taste test product, purchase product. This really isn't going to be anything new to those who are properly educated on the topic. To those who seem to be arrogant enough to be bashing the need of smoking medically or recreationally, your lack of education on marijuana is shining through. Maybe you should stick to the things you know about..... like tying your shoelaces. Again.... this has been going on for a very long time. Embrace it or not.... it will happen. "

I didn't read one comment on this thread where someone said or even implied that medicinal marijuana users couldn't smoke in public: the threads about (non-medical) marijuana legalization, and hence one should assume all comments pertain to non medical use, whether it was specified or not.  
 
But what is the "need" for recreational use?

Enfyre said "    geminiguy27 said "Im enjoying all the comments from both sides of this. As for walking down the street smoking a joint..... who says people don't already do that.... and do it legally. I suggest many of the people take a good read up on what is already permitted to some people. As for sitting outside the mall or a Wheat Kings game.... there are already people who do that... again.... entirely on the right side of the law. People do possess medical cards in Canada that allow this. In many Canadian cities there have been centers where people can go and taste test product, purchase product. This really isn't going to be anything new to those who are properly educated on the topic. To those who seem to be arrogant enough to be bashing the need of smoking medically or recreationally, your lack of education on marijuana is shining through. Maybe you should stick to the things you know about..... like tying your shoelaces. Again.... this has been going on for a very long time. Embrace it or not.... it will happen. " I didn't read one comment on this thread where someone said or even implied that medicinal marijuana users couldn't smoke in public: the threads about (non-medical) marijuana legalization, and hence one should assume all comments pertain to non medical use, whether it was specified or not.     But what is the "need" for recreational use? "

What is the "need" for use of alcohol or cigarettes? Marijuana use recreationally is no different then any of these