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Iceman69
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Fans (fully vaccinated health care workers) to be allowed at Jets games
6/1/2021 at 5:19 PM

Under our circumstances.. the premier has now let fans to attend Jets game tomorrow.. the NHL has also asked ottawa to send players over our borders and players are excempted from quarantining.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-winnipeg-jets-fans-1.6049106
Edited by admin, 2021-06-01 17:29:46. Reason: Added link
covidsux
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Hmmm
6/1/2021 at 5:46 PM

.... is this going to be like when politicians flew out of country to holiday and they wore no masks and told us to wear them and stay home or we get fined?
Or is this some test to see if we can just open and go back to our normal lives?

My neighbor can't go on certain days to a garden site as have to stay apart outside and not be close to other gardeners... and that's outside.

Edited by covidsux, 2021-06-01 17:54:19
naturelover
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naturelover
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Jets Game
6/1/2021 at 6:09 PM

Give your head a Shake, Pallister, us common folk who are not allowed to get together with family, outside in backyard,who follow rules and take precaution, is more necessary for mental health, than a hockey game ???
Its stuff like this that encourages people to break rules, But wait, WE can get fined !!
So unfair.
My rant.
Cjford
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Cjford
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6/1/2021 at 6:25 PM

naturelover said "Give your head a Shake, Pallister, us common folk who are not allowed to get together with family, outside in backyard,who follow rules and take precaution, is more necessary for mental health, than a hockey game ???
Its stuff like this that encourages people to break rules, But wait, WE can get fined !!
So unfair.
My rant. "
I'm guessing that not everyone in your get together would be fully vaccinated yet. Maybe some are but most manitobans are not. This is exclusive for Healthcare workers who have worked tirelessly through this and are completely vaccinated. However, I get your frustration as I want to sit on my deck and have a few beers with friends as well, see my kids play with others again.
Adam

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Adam
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Jets game
6/1/2021 at 6:52 PM

Though there might truly not be a thank you that’ll ever be big enough to say how we feel, we absolutely do need to honour our health care workers when we are clearly through the worst of this. We aren’t through the worst of this so long as our medical system is at a point where we have people out of province for care and when we have the serious restrictions in place that we have right now.

I suspect the premier means well… but the most common feedback i'm seeing so far is the message it sends for an exception for a Jets game specifically while other rules are in place that need to continue to be taken extremely seriously. If they go ahead with it please remember the serious situation we’re in, please remember the rules that are in place and why they’re in place. Don’t let the premier’s weakness for the Jets change what we have to do to get to the finish line of this as we see vaccination rates ramp up, some early encouraging signs in positivity rates and encouraging signs in our numbers locally over these past few days.
Yuzu
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Ontario
6/1/2021 at 7:01 PM

Adam said "
Though there might truly not be a thank you that’ll ever be big enough to say how we feel, we absolutely do need to honour our health care workers when we are clearly through the worst of this. We aren’t through the worst of this so long as our medical system is at a point where we’re sending people out of province for care and when we have the serious restrictions in place that we have right now.

I suspect the premier means well… but the most common feedback i'm seeing so far is the message it sends for an exception for a Jets game specifically while other rules are in place that need to continue to be taken extremely seriously. If they go ahead with it please remember the serious situation we’re in, please remember the rules that are in place and why they’re in place. Don’t let the premier’s weakness for the Jets change what we have to do to get to the finish line of this as we see vaccination rates ramp up, some early encouraging signs in positivity rates and encouraging signs in our numbers locally over these past few days.
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Totally agree. And Ontario did the same thing. Guess a stay at home order is just for us normal people.
sammy
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6/1/2021 at 7:22 PM

If it’s for fully vaccinated healthcare workers, then I’m actually okay with this, I think??

We have to start somewhere right? And those people deserve to be treated with something nice and being the first to be “let out” must feel good?

I also wonder if there would be this much outrage if the treat was to allow them to go to a movie? Or is it just because it’s sports, which can be a controversial topic?
Adam

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Adam
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Jets game
6/1/2021 at 7:57 PM

sammy said "If it’s for fully vaccinated healthcare workers, then I’m actually okay with this, I think??

We have to start somewhere right? And those people deserve to be treated with something nice and being the first to be “let out” must feel good?

I also wonder if there would be this much outrage if the treat was to allow them to go to a movie? Or is it just because it’s sports, which can be a controversial topic? "
I think it’s the idea of an exception right now period, even when it’s for the greatest and most noble of causes.

When it’s fully vaccinated health care workers it would be an example of what life can and will be like on the other end of the pandemic. When the time is right who better to set that example. On a practical level I trust that whatever they do will be vetted medically based on what they know about the virus and the safety of the environment it’ll be taking place in. When this first broke, it was initially said that it would be a limited amount of fans... later expanded that it would be fully vaccinated health care workers. I feel that those who see the whole story will understand what they’re doing and that risks around it would be extremely low.

My concern is more from a communication standpoint and that doing this on such a public stage might by some be taken as signalling “we’re on the way back” when as far as I know there hasn’t been any such announce. There’s a percentage of the population that are begrudgingly following rules and looking for a reason not to. Between those that hear the full story on this and those that only hear part of it, I just hope this doesn’t become that reason not to… and that knowing the rules that continue to be in place and enforced are so important to getting us through this third wave by limiting the kinds of contacts that lead to cases and ultimately hospitalizations.
Llesserd
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I’m all for it….
6/1/2021 at 8:05 PM

This is a small gesture of thanks to those who have been working so hard on our behalf.
This is also why we should all be getting our vaccination. A clear example of what fully being vaccinated is going to allow us to do.
Yuzu
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Yuzu
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Exactly
6/1/2021 at 8:06 PM

Adam said "
I think it’s the idea of an exception right now period, even when it’s for the greatest and most noble of causes.

When it’s fully vaccinated health care workers it would be an example of what life can and will be like on the other end of the pandemic. When the time is right who better to set that example. On a practical level I trust that whatever they do will be vetted medically based on what they know about the virus and the safety of the environment it’ll be taking place in. When this first broke, it was initially said that it would be a limited amount of fans... later expanded that it would be fully vaccinated health care workers. I feel that those who see the whole story will understand what they’re doing and that risks around it would be extremely low.

My concern is more from a communication standpoint and that doing this on such a public stage might by some be taken as signalling “we’re on the way back” when as far as I know there hasn’t been any such announce. There’s a percentage of the population that are begrudgingly following rules and looking for a reason not to. Between those that hear the full story on this and those that only hear part of it, I just hope this doesn’t become that reason not to… and that knowing the rules that continue to be in place and enforced are so important to getting us through this third wave by limiting the kinds of contacts that lead to cases and ultimately hospitalizations.
"
Exactly. Its the PR of the thing. There have been no exceptions made for fully vaccinated people. They're not allowed to see their friends. They're not allowed to travel. Letting them go to a hockey game signals that gatherings are okay for fully vaccinated people. Full. Stop.

The majority of people are going to look at this and see "fans are allowed at jet games" and those same people are going to have a hard time hearing "you can't go for a walk with your mom outside".
Iceman69
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Pathetic
6/1/2021 at 9:13 PM

It is pathetic.. so should we blame pallister when our numbers climb?..

500 gathering.. i guess i can have my fully vacinnated friends and family over now.
naturelover
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Jets game
6/1/2021 at 9:18 PM

Of course, its PR, when did they change rules that fully vaccinated people are exempt ???
And yes, healthcare workers absolutely should be acknowledged, but not by government bending rules.
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crowds
6/1/2021 at 10:47 PM

every arena in the States is operating at 75+% capacity . Montreal just had 2500 for game 6, and we are outraged by 500 fully vaccinated people...
Adam

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Covid
6/1/2021 at 11:15 PM

johnwick said "every arena in the States is operating at 75+% capacity . Montreal just had 2500 for game 6, and we are outraged by 500 fully vaccinated people... "
Are any of the places you mentioned right in the middle of their third wave with a medical system pushed to the limit to the point where they’re having to send people out of province/state for care?
Kida

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Kida
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They deserve a bit of a break
6/2/2021 at 1:38 AM

The health care workers are fully vaccinated, plus they have been at full pace for the past 15 Months. Can we give them this? So, what if we have to watch the game on the TV, were you going to to go anyway??

This has been tough on everyone but very tough on them as they have been on the ones looking after us when we got sick. Because we couldn't follow simple rules (well some of us anyway).

Even now, some of us cannot even go shopping alone when it is asked of us. I'm sure they have been following those rules, I have seen people in scrubs and they are always alone(meaning only one from household).

So why not donate the ticket money you would spend to a local charity I'm sure there are a lot pf people who are unemployed or cannot get work because of (I dot not like to say the word) this pandemic.
Yuzu
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Point
6/2/2021 at 6:18 AM

You guys are missing the point. It has nothing to do with healthcare workers. Or fans in stadiums. It has to do with the fact in our province, we are not
allowed to see ANYONE even outside or in a store, REGARDLESS OF VACCINE STATUS but 500 people can gather in an arena. That goes completely against the stay at home status were supposed to be under.
snl55
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snl55
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I’m for it.
6/2/2021 at 6:42 AM

If it helps with the win. Go jets.
Farmergeorge
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It’s completely wrong
6/2/2021 at 7:13 AM

And smacks of double standards. There should be no sporting events or any other gatherings during a deadly pandemic when the healthcare system is overloaded. It is imperative that we achieve much higher numbers of fully vaccinated people before relaxing restrictions and allowing events of any kind. Unless we get quickly to over 95% of people fully vaccinated (and maintain that status with boosters) we will not have enough immunity and the virus cycle will start all over again, more will become ill or die, healthcare will be overstretched and the economy will continue to suffer.
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Wow
6/2/2021 at 8:17 AM

Right now we are trying to get people on board to get their vaccines. Constantly nattering at them and criticizing them is not really working at this point. More than likely that tactic is just pushing people further away from the goal we are trying to achieve. There was an article where they interviewed the Winkler mayor and he had a lot of good points about how he was trying to work with his community to get people on board. So let’s try putting a different spin on it and show people this is what we can do once we are fully vaccinated. I know I’m becoming more demoralized and disillusioned every time the government chastises Manitobans for not doing their part. I’m doing everything they ask. I’m constantly monitoring when me and my family are eligible for our second doses. I need some light at the end of the tunnel. I’m sure there are others
Farmergeorge
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You’re right
6/2/2021 at 8:46 AM

I’m tired of covid, so is everyone. But a close friend of ours died from covid19 in a seniors residence through no fault of her own. She didn’t deserve that.
Any excuses we have or disillusionment that the rest of us feel are trivial compared to those that are seriously ill or dying.
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deserving? absolutely!!
6/2/2021 at 8:54 AM

Snowball said "
The health care workers are fully vaccinated, plus they have been at full pace for the past 15 Months. Can we give them this? So, what if we have to watch the game on the TV, were you going to to go anyway??

This has been tough on everyone but very tough on them as they have been on the ones looking after us when we got sick. Because we couldn't follow simple rules (well some of us anyway).

Even now, some of us cannot even go shopping alone when it is asked of us. I'm sure they have been following those rules, I have seen people in scrubs and they are always alone(meaning only one from household).

So why not donate the ticket money you would spend to a local charity I'm sure there are a lot pf people who are unemployed or cannot get work because of (I dot not like to say the word) this pandemic.
"
But the thing that healthcare workers are waiting for is the gov't to give them a new contract!!

And yes they need a break. But they need a break from covid critically ill patients and patients dying from covid.

Nothing but a PR stunt from Pallister! He's hoping the health care will forget they've been working without a contract for the last four years!
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Goes to show
6/2/2021 at 8:58 AM

Brian and the Conservative party are all about dollars and not public health. Each one of the over 1000 dead Manitobans was nothing but collateral damage. This wreaks of hypocrisy. Who will he blame when the numbers climb again after this because he has sent a bad message to Manitobans? He can sit and beg and plead and cry to us in a presser and then he does this. He has no credibility left.
Llesserd
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Llesserd
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it’s sentiment like this…..
6/2/2021 at 9:26 AM

“I’m tired of covid, so is everyone. But a close friend of ours died from covid19 in a seniors residence through no fault of her own. She didn’t deserve that.
Any excuses we have or disillusionment that the rest of us feel are trivial compared to those that are seriously ill or dying.”

I’m well aware some have made/experience much greater sacrifices than any of us have experience BUT it’s sentiment like this that demoralize. How many people are you going to win over with that tactic? Most of us that have gotten our vaccine have done so because we understand that concept. We need to find a better way to get the others on board. Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result
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6/2/2021 at 9:52 AM

Vaccinated does not mean immune either. So we are going to put 500 of the most important workers together. Who are also the most exposed to Covid patients. Like others have said I bet the health care workers would rather have a contract.
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snowman5
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It looks more bad, then it is...
6/2/2021 at 9:58 AM

Out of all the folks here in Manitoba, five hundred health care workers is the best group of people, I would feel, could be trusted to "do right" in a gathering. Here are some simple questions... How is this any different if they were at work? I mean, hey, they've been doubled vaxed, they know how to distance, they use enough common sense to stay healthy and their friends & family safe... Don't you think they would be the best candidates to try something like a live crowd at a hockey game? If you want to worry about something about tonight's Jets game, how about all those idiots who will sit outside of the MTS center on the sidewalks and roaming around in their cars, trying to "join in with the fun"? Yeah, it looks like a "double standard" and it feels unfair. But I have more faith in them to maintain public health, then any of those b!+ching about them.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Farmergeorge
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Farmergeorge
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Not trying to win anyone over
6/2/2021 at 10:17 AM

Llesserd said "“I’m tired of covid, so is everyone. But a close friend of ours died from covid19 in a seniors residence through no fault of her own. She didn’t deserve that.
Any excuses we have or disillusionment that the rest of us feel are trivial compared to those that are seriously ill or dying.”

I’m well aware some have made/experience much greater sacrifices than any of us have experience BUT it’s sentiment like this that demoralize. How many people are you going to win over with that tactic? Most of us that have gotten our vaccine have done so because we understand that concept. We need to find a better way to get the others on board. Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result "
Government needs to put out one clear message. Get yourself vaccinated fully, obey guidelines and restrictions and reduce case loads. Without these simple instructions the pandemic will not get better and we will be in and out of piece meal measures for the foreseeable future, and more people will become seriously ill and die.
Adam

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Event
6/2/2021 at 11:17 AM

Snowball said "
The health care workers are fully vaccinated, plus they have been at full pace for the past 15 Months. Can we give them this? So, what if we have to watch the game on the TV, were you going to to go anyway??

This has been tough on everyone but very tough on them as they have been on the ones looking after us when we got sick. Because we couldn't follow simple rules (well some of us anyway).

Even now, some of us cannot even go shopping alone when it is asked of us. I'm sure they have been following those rules, I have seen people in scrubs and they are always alone(meaning only one from household).

So why not donate the ticket money you would spend to a local charity I'm sure there are a lot pf people who are unemployed or cannot get work because of (I dot not like to say the word) this pandemic.
"
Interesting assumptions.... not sure you've read posts in the thread re reasoning? Can only speak for myself but Tbh it took until yesterday and this post to even know that there was even a game today and later a message from a buddy to even know who they’re playing

If it’s determined that that would be the best way to honour, health care and front line workers deserve exclusive games and much much (much) more. Not that valuable time right now should go into being polled but I’d be curious what percentage of our amazing health care workers are in favour of the timing right now and how many would answer like the MB MD on Twitter who said “thanks, but rain check. Kind of busy.”

LLesserd does have a good point that there's value in demonstrating to the not-yet-vaccinated what awaits those who are... but just not convinced this is the timing or the way compared to say Game 5 in in a week when we'll have a much better read on the data and the direction we're heading and hopefully have some relief in ICUs and maybe be in a position to start walking back some health orders?

Here’s a visual.
Second week of July. On that hypothetical day Manitoba with just 39 active Covid cases Province-wide. None of those in ICU. 84% of Manitobans on that date now with their first vaccine shot. Up to 54% and counting with their second shot. Stanley Cup finals. Game 7. 5000 fully vaccinated health care workers in the building to cheer the home team on to Canada’s first Stanley Cup in almost 30 years. Small limited groups of vaccinated non-household members enjoying it together on TVs around the province since by that time with dramatically lowered case counts restrictions are lessened. Some time after the game Premier Pallister along with Jets captain (Wheeler still I assume?) use the occasion to announce that the day will forever annually be dedicated as a provincial holiday to health care workers and in memory of those who have lost their lives to Covid-19 during this pandemic. Maybe I’m getting ahead of myself a bit, but I’ve gotta stop there anyway… getting chills just typing it.

Keep it up folks. Our case numbers in Brandon over these last few days are a really encouraging sign that on average so many people are doing the right thing.
Here’s hoping that that trend continues Province-wide and that provincial officials deem the public health environment suitable to start dialing back some of the very necessary restrictions on gathering in public and private places that remain in place as of now. You can review those restrictions at:
https://www.gov.mb.ca/covid19/prs/index.html

You can stay informed on the respond to Covid in the province including most recent case counts at:
https://manitoba.ca/covid19/index.html
Adam

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Reason
6/2/2021 at 11:23 AM

Tiger Barb said "Brian and the Conservative party are all about dollars and not public health. Each one of the over 1000 dead Manitobans was nothing but collateral damage. This wreaks of hypocrisy. Who will he blame when the numbers climb again after this because he has sent a bad message to Manitobans? He can sit and beg and plead and cry to us in a presser and then he does this. He has no credibility left. "
Some guesswork in there. Speaking from a non-partisan place I believe that there are some very good intentions from gov both for hockey fans and for health care workers.. especially health care workers that happen to be hockey fans. Where and how the politics mix in are for someone better at guessing than I, but perception at some point is reality and when the premier does have a history of playing the Jets card I can understand why some might feel that's part of this too.
Possible the identical plan in as soon as a week might be received totally differently.
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6/2/2021 at 3:53 PM

Looks like unvaccinated family members of the team can also now attend.

Funny how that wasn't announced earlier.

What a joke.
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BTS
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Jets game
6/2/2021 at 5:23 PM

I wrote an email back when they first allowed the NHL to start playing questioning how that was fair when all hockey was cancelled for everyone else. The reply I got was that they had protocols in place and would be doing everything correctly to make sure they were all safe. Well multiple players got sick, multiple games were cancelled. Now the game to night is open to all immediate family of players, likely coaches, managers as well. I said it then, money talks. Somehow the NHL is held to a different standard. Health care workers fine, but anyone in there that isn’t double vaccinated should not be allowed, period.