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Classified said "    slurpeegirl said "    Nordberg said "    slurpeegirl said "    Classified said "    TJ1284 said "I love how everyone is always so quick to grab their torches and pitchforks whenever landlords are brought up.   Yes, there are some less-than-desirable landlords out there, but the majority of them aren't the scum of the earth that everyone personifies them as.     I used to have a rental property in Brandon and after 6+ years of having it I'll never go back to renting.   Do you know why some landlords have such strict renting policies like this?   Because renters are shit more than half the time.     I've had to rebuild suites after 5 different renters, out of 7 or 8 total, in 6 years. 3 of which were on a government assistance program which took absolutely zero responsibility for them, even when one unit was reported in condemnable condition. Even when things got drastically worse they did nothing.     One unit had had holes punched in the walls, interior doors ripped off their frames, the AC unit destroyed, holes kicked in the floor of the shower, the front door kicked in 10+ times, and knife holes in the ceiling, but I wasn't allowed to evict the tenant, because I ws the big bad landlord trying to kick the poor, sad guy out of his home.   Guess who the tenancy act protects and who it punishes 9 times out of 10?     Maybe if my renting policies were a little more strict, like criminal record checks and drug testing, I wouldn't have had so many visits from the police, scumbag renters skipping town, drugs being sold out of my building, or apartments being destroyed... " If you had this type of damage and weren't able to evict the tenant, then you definitely went about it the wrong way.     Also, no government agency that provides financial support for a person to pay their rent will take responsibility for that persons actions. If you paid attention to any paperwork you signed for them, that was made perfectly clear, even though it's a no brainer.     Edited by Classified, 2015-08-01 10:02:13" this landlord went about it the wrong way.     you set up the rules before tenants move in, if they sign the contract, they've agreed to the rules. playing dumb later will get the tenants nowhere.     there are several forms available for free at residential tenancies. pick up one of each and make copies, to have on hand. if a tenant breaks a rule, fill out the proper form and have them sign it. if any issues come up after that, you have everything well documented and acknowledged by the tenant.     as far as tenants who think that they can make their own rules, while renting from someone else....you can, as soon as you own your own place. until then, you are living at someone else's place, under someone else's rules. " That's not how the law works. Landlords have to follow rules too. If you don't want to follow the legislation, don't be a landlord. " are you sure that the residential tenancies branch is handing out paperwork that is not yet legislated by manitoba residential tenancies act?     i find that hard to believe..... " not sure which paperwork you mean? "

I called the branch multiple times to find out how to evict once I had discovered how badly the suite was damaged.  
The tenant had been in there less than a year by that point. Quarterly inspections weren`t a thing then. People were just trusted to have some common sense and decency.  
 
 
To respond to a few who are proving my point:  
[i]"If you had this type of damage and weren't able to evict the tenant, then you definitely went about it the wrong way."[/i]  
I went through the tenancy branch, which highly favors tenants over landlords and wrote a letter with their exact wording on it, giving the tenant over a months notice. 3 days before his eviction date they contacted me and said because I didn't have their watermark on the paper, it was not valid and he got to stay.  
At no point did they mention that to me.  
 
[i]"Also, no government agency that provides financial support for a person to pay their rent will take responsibility for that persons actions. If you paid attention to any paperwork you signed for them, that was made perfectly clear, even though it's a no brainer.[/i]  
I should have clarified my post as I removed some information.  
The rental agreement was with [i]them[/i] and they placed a person in the suite.  
They found a loophole to get out of any responsibility, even something as trivial as putting the next-of-kin in contact with me when a tenant passed away. Or taking ANY responsibility in the condemnable state of the suite.  
Also, as a new landlord at that point I didn't realize I had to expressly state that the floor was not a bathroom, "even though it's a no brainer."  
 
[i]"That's not how the law works. Landlords have to follow rules too. If you don't want to follow the legislation, don't be a landlord."[/i]  
If someone is destroying your rental property and you have 3 documented cases of it, then yes, you do. I followed the rules, they didn't.  
But yet again, I'm the big bad landlord and he's the poor victim.  
When in reality I'm just trying to offset a mortgage and he's being a drain on society.  
 
 
I still see lots of pitchforks and torches in this thread, but I guess it's easier to jump to wild conclusions that all landlords are scumbags, extorting people for thousands, than see them as normal people trying to pay a mortgage and maybe, [b]if they're lucky[/b], turn a [i]minor[/i] profit at the end of the year when the taxman is done with them.

they have forms for every occasion there.  
 
a landlord's responsibility is to carefully outline all rules and expectations BEFORE a tenant moves in. after that, it is the landlord's responsibility to handle any violations. by keeping copies of every form on hand and dealing with every incident as soon as it happens, the tenants will be well aware that their actions are being documented. hopefully, they will either catch on or move out.  
 
if you keep on top of things and follow every letter of the law, you have nothing to lose. i have never had any trouble evicting anyone, because i document everything. 90% of my tenants have been splendid, long-term tenants. the few that pushed their luck were bombarded with paperwork, every time they didn't follow the simple and legal rules they agreed to.  
 
when you approach residential tenancies with adequate documentation, it makes it much easier for them to assist you. when you go in empty handed with one side of a story, what would you expect them to do with that information? keep notes, take pictures, get witnesses statements and whatever else is necessary to protect YOUR OWN investment.  
 
i think a lot of people get in to revenue property because they think it's going to be easy money. an attitude like that only paves a way to frustration and failure.

I think that's a crock of shit. Landlords should not be able to do so . What about people that use for chronic illnesses such as myself to maintain a Job so i can pay rent. One who.pays her rent on time and never makes a fuss. R they gonna turn away a person who pays rent everything on time just bc they use a little pot. This is a little ridiculous if u ask me. Achohole causes more problems they gonna start breatjlizerd as well . More damage is done from alcholoe than drugs if u want my opinion

mj2015 said "I think that's a crock of shit. Landlords should not be able to do so . What about people that use for chronic illnesses such as myself to maintain a Job so i can pay rent. One who.pays her rent on time and never makes a fuss. R they gonna turn away a person who pays rent everything on time just bc they use a little pot. This is a little ridiculous if u ask me. Achohole causes more problems they gonna start breatjlizerd as well . More damage is done from alcholoe than drugs if u want my opinion "

i am very familiar with the studies done on marijuana versus alcohol and can honestly say that i agree with you 100%.  
 
on the other hand, if you live in a four-plex and are pissing off the rest of the tenants, because they can smell you from their place and they have children....  
 
do you think the landlord is going to tolerate high turnover in three suites, to accommodate one suite?  
 
bottom line, if you want to make the rules, become a homeowner. then you really can do whatever you want, in the comfort of your own home. when you live under someone else's roof, you live by someone else's rules.

Nordberg said "    TJ1284 said "    Classified said "    slurpeegirl said "    Nordberg said "    slurpeegirl said "    Classified said "    TJ1284 said "I love how everyone is always so quick to grab their torches and pitchforks whenever landlords are brought up.   Yes, there are some less-than-desirable landlords out there, but the majority of them aren't the scum of the earth that everyone personifies them as.     I used to have a rental property in Brandon and after 6+ years of having it I'll never go back to renting.   Do you know why some landlords have such strict renting policies like this?   Because renters are shit more than half the time.     I've had to rebuild suites after 5 different renters, out of 7 or 8 total, in 6 years. 3 of which were on a government assistance program which took absolutely zero responsibility for them, even when one unit was reported in condemnable condition. Even when things got drastically worse they did nothing.     One unit had had holes punched in the walls, interior doors ripped off their frames, the AC unit destroyed, holes kicked in the floor of the shower, the front door kicked in 10+ times, and knife holes in the ceiling, but I wasn't allowed to evict the tenant, because I ws the big bad landlord trying to kick the poor, sad guy out of his home.   Guess who the tenancy act protects and who it punishes 9 times out of 10?     Maybe if my renting policies were a little more strict, like criminal record checks and drug testing, I wouldn't have had so many visits from the police, scumbag renters skipping town, drugs being sold out of my building, or apartments being destroyed... " If you had this type of damage and weren't able to evict the tenant, then you definitely went about it the wrong way.     Also, no government agency that provides financial support for a person to pay their rent will take responsibility for that persons actions. If you paid attention to any paperwork you signed for them, that was made perfectly clear, even though it's a no brainer.     Edited by Classified, 2015-08-01 10:02:13" this landlord went about it the wrong way.     you set up the rules before tenants move in, if they sign the contract, they've agreed to the rules. playing dumb later will get the tenants nowhere.     there are several forms available for free at residential tenancies. pick up one of each and make copies, to have on hand. if a tenant breaks a rule, fill out the proper form and have them sign it. if any issues come up after that, you have everything well documented and acknowledged by the tenant.     as far as tenants who think that they can make their own rules, while renting from someone else....you can, as soon as you own your own place. until then, you are living at someone else's place, under someone else's rules. " That's not how the law works. Landlords have to follow rules too. If you don't want to follow the legislation, don't be a landlord. " are you sure that the residential tenancies branch is handing out paperwork that is not yet legislated by manitoba residential tenancies act?     i find that hard to believe..... " not sure which paperwork you mean? " I called the branch multiple times to find out how to evict once I had discovered how badly the suite was damaged.   The tenant had been in there less than a year by that point. Quarterly inspections weren`t a thing then. People were just trusted to have some common sense and decency.       To respond to a few who are proving my point:   [i]"If you had this type of damage and weren't able to evict the tenant, then you definitely went about it the wrong way."[/i]   I went through the tenancy branch, which highly favors tenants over landlords and wrote a letter with their exact wording on it, giving the tenant over a months notice. 3 days before his eviction date they contacted me and said because I didn't have their watermark on the paper, it was not valid and he got to stay.   At no point did they mention that to me.     [i]"Also, no government agency that provides financial support for a person to pay their rent will take responsibility for that persons actions. If you paid attention to any paperwork you signed for them, that was made perfectly clear, even though it's a no brainer.[/i]   I should have clarified my post as I removed some information.   The rental agreement was with [i]them[/i] and they placed a person in the suite.   They found a loophole to get out of any responsibility, even something as trivial as putting the next-of-kin in contact with me when a tenant passed away. Or taking ANY responsibility in the condemnable state of the suite.   Also, as a new landlord at that point I didn't realize I had to expressly state that the floor was not a bathroom, "even though it's a no brainer."     [i]"That's not how the law works. Landlords have to follow rules too. If you don't want to follow the legislation, don't be a landlord."[/i]   If someone is destroying your rental property and you have 3 documented cases of it, then yes, you do. I followed the rules, they didn't.   But yet again, I'm the big bad landlord and he's the poor victim.   When in reality I'm just trying to offset a mortgage and he's being a drain on society.       I still see lots of pitchforks and torches in this thread, but I guess it's easier to jump to wild conclusions that all landlords are scumbags, extorting people for thousands, than see them as normal people trying to pay a mortgage and maybe, [b]if they're lucky[/b], turn a [i]minor[/i] profit at the end of the year when the taxman is done with them. " I was responding to slurpeegirl when she said that you make rules before someone moves in, and if they don't follow the rules, then they can be kicked out. She was making it sound that you could make up any rule you wanted. You can't make up any rule, the rules have to conform to all legislation that is pertinent, not just the residential tenancies act.     So no, I don't think you are a big bad landlord. Your tenant is obviously a no good a$$h*&e that gives us good tenants a bad name. We've been tenants most of our adult life and have usually had wonderful relationships with our landlords. We have heard some of their horror stories, and they are definitely horrible. Most of our landlords can't believe how clean we leave the place when we leave. We are good tenants.     We are good tenants, I'm sure you are a good landlord. My only beef is with the landlords that come on here and make like they are some sort of god for providing rental properties, and who think they can make any rule they pull out of their ass because it is "their property". That is not how rental property works. If you want to control what happens on your property (I'm not talking illegal activities) then don't be a landlord. When you rent to someone, that property becomes their home, or their business, and they are allowed to do in that unit what they choose within the law. Their are reasonable limits when it comes to things that are illegal or that can cause damage to the property, as such a landlord can make rules about no pets or no smoking, two activities that would cause damage to a property.     Seriously, if people on both sides were just reasonable, we wouldn't have this problem. Unfortunately, humans are often horrible. "

 
https://web2.gov.mb.ca/bills/39-4/b218e.php  
 
 
amendments in the tenancies act do limit what landlords can have in place as rules, even those that most of us are accustomed to and find reasonable or common sense.

even before the current shortage of rental units,landlords asked people to apply for the dwelling.....  
 
you only need to rent to the SUITABLE tenant. not just anyone who shows up. because a tenancy agreement is a legal contract, the tenant is putting said tenancy at risk by lying. therefore, stating that you have no pets, then showing up with pets later, can be dealt with. it is illegal to lie on a rental application/contract.  
 
the only way a landlord can get screwed over is to not be thorough prior to the tenant moving in, not follow the simple rules that the residential tenancies office outlines and not keeping track of the tenants.  
 
sadly, most landlords just want to get their hands on that fist full of money and often don't put as much effort on research as they need to.  
 
when i take applications, i start making calls immediately. i speak to former landlords, bosses and then other people in the community. it is fairly common for me to reject an application from a person who has never been late with rent because there are other issues from their past that i know i will be unable to tolerate.  
 
as i said before, it is the landlord's responsibility to protect their own investment. if you do the job you are supposed to do as a landlord, you have much less of a risk of suffering a loss. if you are lazy and in a hurry to just get the money from a new tenant, you will likely end up with someone that cares as little as you do.  
 
there are very few situations in life where you get more out of something, than what you put into it.