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Muslim groups have done some protests wanting the UK to enact Sharia Law for them, but the UK has dismissed them. They have councils and tribunals for religious matters. But UK law overrules. Like how the VIA Rail bomb plotter wanted to be tried under Sharia Law here.  
 
https://fullfact.org/law/uk_sharia_courts-39429  
 
There's a multitude of reasons why people aren't supportive about 25,000 refugees coming here by the end of the year. National security, taxpayer costs, housing, employment, language are a few very valid concerns. Given how long it takes for Canadian residents to get various government documents done and now 25,000 refugees are going to get fast tracked through the process. The government recently changed rules for foreign workers to restrict them, and now there's going be be essential 1000's of new foreign workers to take jobs. What type of skills will these people have?

dueindecember said "Did you say Canada accepts 250000 immigrants annually? Divide that number by 12... "

 
http://www.cic.gc.ca/English/resources/publications/annual-report-2014/index.asp  
 
FYI - Immigrates and refugees are not the same things.  
 
Table 1 presents the 2015 immigration levels plan, which outlines the anticipated number of permanent residents that will be admitted to Canada during the year. In 2015, the overall planned admission range is 260,000 to 285,000 people. The distribution among immigration programs is designed to support several objectives, including supporting Canada’s economy, reuniting families, and meeting humanitarian goals.

dueindecember said "So say they don't make their timeline and they make an announcement that 15000 are coming by Christmas and the rest next year. I don't think anyone would have a problem with that. But the general sentiment, not only in this thread, is "we don't want them". That's a problem. "

We only had the staffing, manpower, and supports to allow 28,000 refugees in the entirety of last year.  
 
Expecting 25,000 in 5 weeks might be reason enough for people to be afraid of what is going to happen.  
That's a problem.  
 
I suggest we try our best to double or triple the number over the next year.  
The only thing better than having this great idea would be having a plan in place to make it work.  
 
Edited by loeog, 2015-11-17 19:13:53

Government of Canada website  
 
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/index.asp  
 
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/

Meanwhile what happens to the physical and mental health of the hundreds of thousands of refugees in Europe over the next year? You want to talk strain on our health system, abandon these families for another year before bringing some of them over..

Enfyre said "There are "no go zones" in england but they're a bit more mild then what there made out to be. They're not closed off, anybody can go there, police go there, its just that police rarely get called to these areas, the Muslims deal with things themselves, and there's "Muslim street patrols" who go around taking alcohol away from people and scolding women to cover their bodies, apparently this is very common and there's videos of it. "

There are areas in US cities where white people would feel unwelcome..... and not by Muslims.

be from the Conservative era.  
 
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/crisis/canada-response.asp  
 
'The government will speed up processing and issue visas to more Syrian refugees by the end of this year. The overall commitment of resettling 10,000 Syrians’ is expected to be met by September 2016 –15 months earlier than planned. Canada’s existing commitment to resettle 23,000 Iraqis has also been met.'  
 
'The government's goal is for all Syrian applications received as of September 19, 2015 to have a decision by the end of December. This will ensure that applicants and their sponsors are aware of the progress on their files.'  
 
They were bringing refugees here, but under a more controlled pace.

27000...funny, I don't remember the last time I was beaten by a Muslim man, ya know, since "they'll take over". Thanks for sharing, hopefully that will open some eyes!

http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php#

Trending now: Muslim mom attacked and called terrorist outside a school while picking her kids up.

The refugees from Muslim countries such as Syria need to stay in their own geographic area for many reason. Besides most of them would rather stay in their own countries if it weren't for the dangers from ISIS and from their dictatorial leaders.  
The western nations need to create a no-fly zone in Syria and give them the means to physically defend themselves from ISIS and their dictatorial governments. The Kurds are proving that this sort of strategy can work. They control their own area of Iraq and are even successfully removing ISIS from areas that were originally part of the Kurdish homeland. So give the Kurd and other Syrians the means by which they can take on the despots and ISIS.

Timetowakeup said "I'm talking numbers processed by department as will effect anyone coming here students accepted to study, those wishing to settle here, those coming to work or specialized employment, all of whom would have to be moved to the back burner "

Trust me, as someone who has been working with immigration on my husband's case for 32 months with no end in sight, we are already on the back burner. Not sure how they plan to process 25,000 in 6 weeks when they can't get my simple file done in less than 3 years but whatever.  
 
The other situation is that there are a lot of people in countries who have applied for refugee status that are in immediate danger and they will likely be pushed back in the priority list to make way for Syrian refugees that have already been processed and are currently out of the conflict zone. It's a very emotional and frustrating thing we're looking at here. I don't honestly know anymore what perspective to have on it. It's not always fair.  
 

https://www.facebook.com/CTVNewsChannel/videos/990736540987677/?fref=nf  
 
According to her we will not be bringing the most vulnerable people over because those people are too afraid to go to the Islam run refugee camps.  
She has worked in the refugee department and knows the Liberal plan cannot work in the short time frame Trudeau has laid out.

The Muslims deal with things themselves?! I don't even want to know what that means but seriously do we want areas like that in Canada where certain segments of the population are surpassing regular authority and policing themselves (to what standards)? How is this safe for that segment or the rest? And the day comes when there is a patrol on the ground telling me to cover up my body is the day when Canada as we know it is gone. And not the Canada I want.

Jaxon said "The Muslims deal with things themselves?! I don't even want to know what that means but seriously do we want areas like that in Canada where certain segments of the population are surpassing regular authority and policing themselves (to what standards)? How is this safe for that segment or the rest? And the day comes when there is a patrol on the ground telling me to cover up my body is the day when Canada as we know it is gone. And not the Canada I want. "

A segment of the country where the normal rules don't exist? Sounds a lot like Quebec.

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/18/3723440/france-refugees/

I could be wrong but I think the Fort Hood shooter was born in the USA.

was from Puerto Rico.

Wiki says born in Virginia.

looked at the 2014 shooting, the American born one is the 2009 shoter.

In 5 weeks or less, How do 25,000 refugees pass the medical history check requirements to enter the country.  
 

SJK said "https://www.facebook.com/CTVNewsChannel/videos/990736540987677/?fref=nf     According to her we will not be bringing the most vulnerable people over because those people are too afraid to go to the Islam run refugee camps.   She has worked in the refugee department and knows the Liberal plan cannot work in the short time frame Trudeau has laid out. "

And yes, it is the people who are at the highest risk of being massacred and need the help the most, who have no where to go, who seem to be being completely ignored.

So no refugees were involved in the attacks in France. In fact it's looking more and more as if the sole intent of the acts was to get the West to cut off the refugees.  
 
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/none-of-the-isis-attackers-in-paris-were-syrian-refugees/23037/

The inspiration for the most recent attacks may have come from Iraq or Syria, but their perpetrators came from the Paris suburbs. The January assaults on the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo and a kosher supermarket were conducted by French-born radicalized Muslims. Most of those involved in Friday’s sickening attacks on cafés and a concert hall appear to have had similar backgrounds.  
 
“We know, and it’s cruel to say it, it was French people who killed French people on Friday,” President François Hollande said in a speech for the ages. “There are, living on our soil, individuals who move from delinquency to radicalization and then to terrorist criminality.”  
 
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/hollande-faces-the-enemy-from-within/article27325400/

MrKellyGraham said "So no refugees were involved in the attacks in France. In fact it's looking more and more as if the sole intent of the acts was to get the West to cut off the refugees.     http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/none-of-the-isis-attackers-in-paris-were-syrian-refugees/23037/ "

You don't have to infiltrate a country with people if you can do it with an idea.

Another thing to think about is that there are non-muslim groups in Syria who are literally the victims of genocide right now like the Yazidi and any Christian sects. For example, I was just reading in the Telegraph that last week while we were all changing our Facebook pictures to French flags, a few young Yazidi girls escaped their lives as ISIS sex slaves and led their liberators to mass graves, one with over 500 men and another with women deemed "too old" to be taken as sex slaves. The girls who survive are held and passed around from group to group to be violently and repeatedly raped.  
 
THESE are the people most in need of our rescue mission. These are the people who should be fast-tracked for refugee status, especially because there is extremely low possibility that they will belong to the extremist group that is trying to eradicate them. The whole thing is so complex and very, very frustrating.

Mela said "Another thing to think about is that there are non-muslim groups in Syria who are literally the victims of genocide right now like the Yazidi and any Christian sects. For example, I was just reading in the Telegraph that last week while we were all changing our Facebook pictures to French flags, a few young Yazidi girls escaped their lives as ISIS sex slaves and led their liberators to mass graves, one with over 500 men and another with women deemed "too old" to be taken as sex slaves. The girls who survive are held and passed around from group to group to be violently and repeatedly raped.     THESE are the people most in need of our rescue mission. These are the people who should be fast-tracked for refugee status, especially because there is extremely low possibility that they will belong to the extremist group that is trying to eradicate them. The whole thing is so complex and very, very frustrating. "

are we as Canadians really taking in the most vulnerable and welcoming them into our country. The horror the christian's and Yazidi's have had to endure should put them at the top of our list of people we should except for refugees. If these people are too afraid to go to the UN camps because they are islamist run then that should tell us all something.  
 
Just a few things I would like to point out from the article that was just posted.  
 
"One of the measures Mr. Hollande and Prime Minister Manuel Valls promise to adopt would empower the government to strip even French-born dual nationals of their citizenship if they contravene the “fundamental interests of the nation.” Currently, only convicted terrorists who have been naturalized French citizens for less than 10 years can lose their French citizenship."  
 
"But his government is seeking to extend for three months the extraordinary powers granted the President under the current national security emergency. These include temporarily closing France’s borders, a measure that not long ago would have seemed unthinkable for this former protégé of Jacques Delors, one of the chief architects of European integration."  
 
"he said in noting that France would welcome 30,000 Syrian refugees over two years."

MrKellyGraham said "So no refugees were involved in the attacks in France. In fact it's looking more and more as if the sole intent of the acts was to get the West to cut off the refugees.     http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/none-of-the-isis-attackers-in-paris-were-syrian-refugees/23037/ "

Your digging deep to find that website.  
Not sure I would trust it as a source  
 
Background info on Dailynewsbin  
http://beingbutmen.blogspot.ca/2015/11/today-tim-martyn-from-web-site-daily.html

MrKellyGraham said "The inspiration for the most recent attacks may have come from Iraq or Syria, but their perpetrators came from the Paris suburbs. The January assaults on the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo and a kosher supermarket were conducted by French-born radicalized Muslims. Most of those involved in Friday’s sickening attacks on cafés and a concert hall appear to have had similar backgrounds.     “We know, and it’s cruel to say it, it was French people who killed French people on Friday,” President François Hollande said in a speech for the ages. “There are, living on our soil, individuals who move from delinquency to radicalization and then to terrorist criminality.”     http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/hollande-faces-the-enemy-from-within/article27325400/ "

Where did all their parents come from?  
 
Why is the issue of wanting proper background and health checks an issue.  
 
I suggest we attempt to triple the number to 75000, and get the programming in place ASAP.  
 
4000 this month, 8000 next month, and so on. Take as many as we have programming for and put more resources in place each month.

Annetta said "Appear to be refugees. Does that mean no refugee will ever be a terrorist? So, do not worry about proper screening of refugees.     Similar to the idea: none of the recent bomb threats called in for the Air France flights have actually proven to be real. Does that mean that the next one called in should be ignored? Do not divert the plane, do not move passengers off the plane, do not check the plane for bombs? "

the Islamic State's reason behind the fake Syrian passports was to instill fear about the refugees.