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A wise man once said:  
An immigrant wants to live here, a Refugee wants to return home.

Heritage said "I don't watch much TV news...     Are people hearing the reports that few refugees even want to come to Canada?     And that since there is low interest from families we will definitely be bringing in single males to meet the quota? "

a lot of the Syrians want to stay close to their homeland and you can't blame them! Home means everything to some people.

This whole time I've been wondering why the liberals think Syrians want to abandon their way of life & move to another continent.

the government self imposed quota of refugees and only take those that truly want to leave the area and start a new life. Just bringing refugees over to fill a quota is stupid. If they don't want to leave the region, then let them be.

Our new and open government.  
 
http://globalnews.ca/video/2385285/conservatives-question-federal-government-on-specifics-of-refugee-intake-plan  
 
Day 1 and already not willing to answer even the simplest questions in the house.  
 
Take careful note of the ministers use of insults In the house just to avoid answering simple questions about the number of refugees the government has issued permits to.  
 
Edited by loeog, 2015-12-07 18:58:15

not wanting to answer the question. Just because the Provinces say that they can support that many doesn't answer the question of how many exit visas have been issued. Dec. 10 is the date that the first group is suppose to arrive here. Maybe it's because they are having trouble finding families that was to become permanent residents of Canada.

is that the liberals and turd uh uh have no clue as to what they are doing .

Everything since October 18 has been a nightmare. what a chaotic time to lose confidence in your government's ability to protect the nation...while giving billions to other countries to'fight' climate change? Seriously, come on.

A society that cannot protect it's women and children has a right to exist? Finally, Canada has the sense to protect them! Finally a MMIW is getting attention. Trump has claims to protect the USA. Some contributors to the thread have said that we can't afford to bring them in, the Syrians. Others are less circumspect and want to follow the xenophobia so much in vogue. Most dangerous, the ones that lose hope and will latch on to Trump:

How Trump became Americau2019s hate-monger. https://t.co/o2rHqiGF7i (by me) pic.twitter.com/MM8jpwegdm

&mdash: Jason Markusoff (@markusoff) December 9, 2015

 
 
 
 
Edited by NotEdelman, 2015-12-08 19:37:23

The father was truly speechless about getting the opportunity to relocate to Canada. It was touching to my heart.  
 
Then I remembered that other liberal promise.  
 
I bet that father will again be speechless when he gets that first liberal child benefit cheque. 7 kids will pay over $45,000 tax free.  
 
$45000 tax free must be equal to making $85,000 a year.  
 
 
It will feel like winning a million dollar lottery.  
By the time the last kid is 18, they will be given equal to 1,000,000 before tax dollars.  
 
 
 
 
 
Edited by loeog, 2015-12-08 23:01:48

No doubt they should ... when we don't take care of women and kids, then what are we here for?

You have to just look at this as an investment in our future, maybe not the same as an infrastructure idea, but sort of the same as investing in business, government backs business ventures all the time with the taxpayers money, and sometimes with no guarantee of repayment, and sometimes with no security, or very little.  
 
Look at the beginning of our country. Under Sir John A. Macdonald (conservative) backing was given by the government to build the transcontinental railroad. The building of this railroad led to large numbers of immigrants coming to our country. I imagine that there were many people looked at this as a risky venture, and there were likely people upset about the people who were coming, or were being brought in, but things seemed to have worked out fine.  
 
I imagine that when we look at the bank account of the parents we likely will not see that million dollars, pretty sure it will get spent.  
 
Edited by don brown, 2015-12-09 07:24:13

I am sure that many of the people who posted intolerant attitudes on this thread agree with Trump's hate mongering views. I wonder if they would also join him in the Nazi-esque gesture shown in the posted photo.  
 
ISIS must love it each time Trump opens his mouth. He is their greatest recruiting tool, and sadly, he seems completely oblivious to that.  
 
I am happy that the government of Canada is moving ahead with the resettlement of refugees. It is taking longer than expected, but that is at least partly because of the careful screening.  
 
Yes, we will be supporting these people for some time. In our old age, their labour and consumerism will be supporting us.  

will all depend on where in Europe I would be located. The UK or Western Europe would be easier, or even in Australia. We have similar customs as they do there. Being relocated to the Middle East would be a better comparison. It's just not distance, but the customs. Being relocated to a place that has similar customs would be easier than one that has entirely different.  
 
Those refugees are going to see customs that are normal for us, that are unheard of in Syria and the Middle East. They are coming from an area where religion dictates there everyday lives. Everything they pretty much do is according to Islam. Where as here, religion doesn't dictate what we do everyday for the most part. Also the freedom of religion, here you can believe or not in any religion you pretty much you want.  
 
Those are some of the issues that Western Europe is experiencing with the refugees.  
 
Edited by Trevor B, 2015-12-09 22:44:48

Heritage said "Everything since October 18 has been a nightmare. what a chaotic time to lose confidence in your government's ability to protect the nation...while giving billions to other countries to'fight' climate change? Seriously, come on. "

It's enough to make your head explode.  
 
Common sense is a thing of the past.

Maybe the loss of common sense is a good thing since it promotes liberal ideas, things like realizing that without having social programs like social assistance, we likely would have a higher crime rate. Common sense also played a part in things like realizing slavery was wrong, or the sufferage movement, where it was finally realized that women are equal to men and should have equal rights, the suffrage movement was very hard on some people and also really made some peoples heads spin. How about this common sense idea, a national healthcare system, or an unemployment program that was run like an insurance plan.  
 
I think that common sense can be looked at from different angles, and as much as it hurs some people's mindset, at times it leads to CHANGE, now that's something that can really make a person head spin.  
 
Damn that liberal thinking.  
 
Edited by don brown, 2015-12-10 07:17:24

I may be mistaken but are not the refugees we are looking at already in the refugee camps. And are or have been in the process of being vetted. those are the folks we are looking at.  
 
as opposed to the throngs of people that have walked across 1000's of miles and just showed up at european borders. those are the locations you might guess that there could be terrorists trying to infiltrate. but if we are drawing from the tent cities that the UN has set up should we not be better protected. unless the terrorists are living in the refugee camps which I doubt.  
 
It is just a shame that in a modern world we allow a group of fanatics to walk in, take over and subjugate the folks that are living there.  
 
ISIS in part wants their own country but they are doing so by taking over existing lands and subjugating the people that want no part of it.  
 
I guess that is how the world has worked since the beginning of time.

Yes, Common Sense was a good thing. Unfortunately, Common Sense seems to be lacking in almost every country in the western world these days including this one. The lack of common sense is quite evident by the things this Liberal government has been doing in just the few weeks since being elected.  
 
You can call Donald Trump a racist bigot if you want to, but there is a certain amount of reason in what he is suggesting about a temporary moratorium on letting in people from terrorist prone countries. It would be legal for him to do it too, something very similar was done by President Carter in 1979. The President does have the authority. Countries in the western world are facing the biggest threat we have faced since the Cold War, maybe even since World War II. You politically correct types on the left can try to deny that too if you want to. ISIS said that they were going to imbed terrorists among the refugees. It would be stupid of us not to at least consider their threat as a serious one. One of the Paris terrorists had been in Greece and was fingerprinted there a month or so before the terror attacks in Paris. He travelled through Serbia on his way to France. Passports can be faked, but fingerprints don't lie. There also have been some reports that ISIS may have the ability to produce fake passports. So only a fool would refuse to consider the possibility that there may be something to the threat of ISIS imbedding terrorists among the refugee claimants.  
 
Certainly giving women the right to vote was a good thing. Of course women should have equal rights and not just in western countries, but in every part of the world. This brings me to another point. I have heard very little, if anything, coming out of the mouths of liberal types, including the left-wing, man-hating feminist activist groups, about the horrible abuse of girls and women taking place in third world countries that are mainly dominated by one particular religion. Instead, it has been conservatives and Christian groups, for the most part, who have been speaking up about this abuse and mutilation of girls and women in that part of the world. Instead of speaking up against it themselves, many of those on the left choose to laugh at us and ridicule us for speaking up about it. The liberal types say they are for women's rights, but do they put their money where there mouth is?  
 
It wasn't very long ago that, right here in Canada, girls had to give up their rights to the rights of one particular religion. The girls had to get off the soccer field so that boys of one particular religion could play soccer. The boys of that particular religion claimed that they could not play soccer against the opposing team, the team that the two girls were on. So, the two girls on the team had to give up their rights and go sit on the bench. I never heard even one word from any left leaning liberal types on this topic, however, a right-wing Canadian radio talk show host put the topic up for discussion on his show.  
 
http://news.nationalpost.com/canada/girl-players-pulled-from-high-school-soccer-game-after-complaints-from-muslim-team  
 
So, to all of the left leaning liberal types out there, who are mainly the ones in favor of bringing a whole lot more people of this one particular religion into Canada and I never said that we shouldn't let any of them in, I ask you this. When the rights of all women in general have to go up against the rights of one particular religious group and it inevitably will happen again sooner or later, whose rights will you choose? Will you choose to support the rights of women in general or will you choose to side with the religious rights of one particular group?  
 
Unlike some conservatives, I am not opposed to having a public health care system, if it actually works and I am not against paying taxes to support it if I actually see worthwhile results from my tax dollars. Common Sense would dictate that a public health care system should focus on important things like cutting wait times for life saving surgeries and treatments and provide funding for cancer drugs before, let's say, paying for things like sex change operations.  
 
Yes, it was Common Sense to end slavery in the US, but there are still places in this world where slavery still exists. Oh, by the way, Abraham Lincoln was the president who ended slavery in the US. In case you didn't know, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. If he had been in Canada he would have been a Conservative.  
 
Anyway, when it comes down to Common Sense vs liberal academic abstract ideas, I'll choose common sense any day.  
 
 
 
Edited by Triplethreat, 2015-12-11 17:28:09

Well said, Triplethreat.

that the reason that you have not heard or seen comments from the "left leaning liberal types" on the variety of topics that you listed is because your eyes and ears are closed to the viewpoints of those you disagree with ? There has been lots of commentary on things such as the rights of women from those who may be considered to be coming from the left.  
 
I don't believe that either the left or the right has the monopoly on common sense. A view on refugees or religion that does not agree with yours does not automatically lack common sense.

I will agree that no one has a monopoly on common sense, but we all seem to use the idea of common sense as an excuse at times. What I wonder about is why conservatives view liberal thinking as always left leaning. The protesters in China back in the late 80's were called liberal thinkers, and they did not want things to move to the left but to the right, same can be said of reform within religion, people who want change quite often are accused of being liberal thinkers. When it comes to these refugees maybe some people are afraid of them because in a way they are liberal thinkers. They don't wish to live under repressive religious ideas, and wish to have some rights, but are classed in with the extremists. Then there are those who are afraid of Shia law, maybe me included, but then I just have to look at some communities in this country that impose restrictions on what students may wear, and some of those ideas have their basis in religious beliefs. If we are so frightened by Shia law then maybe it's time to pass laws regarding separation of religion and state. I was one of the people who was upset when the idea of getting rid of Christmas concerts came about, and it was due to things like tradition as well as how I was raised when it came to religion, but in reality maybe it was a good idea and maybe that idea should be carried on to other things.  
 
I believe that we will have instances of terrorism in our country, and innocent people will be killed, but it doesn't mean that they will all be the result of Muslims. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed more people in the Oklahoma attack than the attack in Paris, and there are always people who figure that they are being mistreated and some are willing to take up arms for their cause.  
 
Before the election Mr. Harper announced that we would be bringing Syrians in, maybe not the numbers we are now talking of, or even the same time frame, but where were all the concerns at that time.

The discussion continues and when it is important there are lots of good points. But why is Brandon not getting a part? Why are we, a city dependent on immigrants, not getting any...paid and vetted, virtually free? Why not?

do yo want refugees here so badly?

When you can not answer the question (you are clueless) and assume no one else can (you are ignorant) then I patiently reply (you are maleable) because there is more to expressing opinions than parroting the news feeds.

Forget the news feeds, this is a direct question.  
Why do you want refugees here?  
 
I believe that brining in refugees to fill a cheap labour market, which is sort of what you are suggesting, would be a mistake, if we want these people to stand half a chance of becoming a part of our country and economy then they need to be allowed choices. We don't know the education or skills of these people so would it be right to send them to locations where there was no private sponsorship and chance to put their skills to work or even have the chance of jobs. If we do have a real problem with workers at some of the industries that use imported labour things will change, maybe for the better or maybe not.

Would you be here without the cheap labour now? Canada is the land of cheap labour. Bring them in. The country thrives on it. Look where we have come? Moreover, the world sees it and is envious. Ditch the colonial attitude and join 2015.

the ONLY reason you want them is for cheap labour!!!! That's a very poor reason. What businesses in Brandon are so desperate that they need Syrian refugees to stay alive?

NotEdelman said "The discussion continues and when it is important there are lots of good points. But why is Brandon not getting a part? Why are we, a city dependent on immigrants, not getting any...paid and vetted, virtually free? Why not? "

" immigrants, not getting any.... paid and vetted, virtually free.... makes them sound like slaves.

When the P.M. addressed an audience, gathered to welcome the TRC report today, there were two empty chairs to symbolize children died at residential school who, upon their death being recorded, were not identified by gender. Bureaucratic procedure couldn't be bothered to record the names, nor whether they were a girl or a boy, either. This part of Canada's history had been hidden for many years. Had I known about that shameful legacy when growing up in the '70s...let's just say Canada has a long way to go and I wouldn't blame anyone for refusing to seek refuge here, to avoid the war in the M-E, out of disgust for the way Canadians treat each other. All we can hope for is to pay the refugees sufficiently to come here and to promise them they will become valued members of this society (however awful it's history may be).

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/syrian-refugees-welcome-kits-1.3363962  
 
I just can't wrap my head around what could possibly require national security levels of secrecy for the purchase of jackets, toques and mitts, but I feel so much better knowing they promised they wouldn't do that lol.