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I agree it's not the employees job to confront but someone has to enforce these rules to keep us safe. Maybe in addition to telling them they have to wear masks, tell them you are calling whoever it is that enforces the rules, AND CALL THEM! It reminds me of the LC rules where thieves were openly stealing liquor because the employees were told not to confront. They openly walked in and walked out without paying, with whatever they wanted. Once it is known that rules and laws are not being enforced, and there are no consequences, anarchy ensues and more people will do whatever they want. Maybe we should have to show id to get into grocery stores, like they now require at the LC, so people can be identified and reported when they are not complying.

The police have a job, to enforce the law. They should be enabled and prepared to enforce the law regardless of personal belief. If the authorities do not enforce the law then who does?

That's right.

So who are these people who have become the major spreaders of this pandemic ? Their names should be publicized just like they used to for the impaired drivers back in the day. Also if they don’t wanna listen and feel they are self entitled then definitely no Hospital admission for those who willingly spread Covid.. Suffer with your own ignorance.

Home Slice Right On.

....what’s really lame is a person being so entitled that they are willing to risk the health and life of other people just so they don’t have to follow the rules.

Absolutely right

I thought all cosmetic places couldn’t touch people or had to close. I know that cosmetic places can stay open to sell products but I thought that they couldn’t apply any kind of cosmetic applications to customers.

I was @ a greenhouse in Brandon yesterday. A staff member was controlling the door. I left without making a purchase after seeing two people being allowed in without masks. I don't know if they had exemptions or not.

there are those who abuse the exemption but I got this screenshot from the govt site and even they tell people to be kind.  
Not everyone without a mask is infected with covid or trying to hurt others. There are legit exemptions which by law people are not required to show a doctors note or exemption or are they to be asked to show it.  
I see people wearing their masks below or hanging off their noses and no one makes a complaint about that. And please keep in mind masks aren't 100% bullet proof and it's a combination of different things to follow not just slap on a mask and screw the distance or washing hands etc. There are people who are infected/tested positive who hide behind masks and go out and no one bats a eye thinking about that. I can't explain people gethering in large groups and not following the guidlines, but please stop blaming every single person who doesn't wear a mask in a store as being a covid spreader or looking at them like they have leperasy. People seem to forget there are legit exemptions which the govt even tells you, but some of you sound like you are on witch hunts. Yes its very fustrating when most of us follow the guidlines and others gather in large groups and dont seem to care, but don't lump every one in the same pile. Some people don't use delivery or drive to do pick up or have family to help or use credit cards. Those who are exempt legitily can go out and get what they need if they aren't sick, and shouldn't be shamed be it on a site or in person. if someone is lying and making a big drama scene and be loud obnoxious then that's something to be dealth with by security or management of a store, and those people make those who have legit exemptions look bad. Masked or not we should all be staying home as much as possible, espc during these last guidlines updates. Oh and those who are legit exempt are NOT thinking they are entitled or above others and can do what they want. They are just trying to get through this like everyone else.  
 
Edited by covidsux, 2021-05-20 14:39:55

This message is for all you rule breakers. Now will you do the right thing and stay the heck home as asked ?  
People will only be allowed to gather outdoors with people they live with, regardless of circumstances. Only one person per household can enter a business to purchase essential items, though there are exceptions for people such as caregivers, Roussin said. This order means NO HOUSEHOLD GATHERINGS, no family members over for meals, visits or any other activities. We will never get out of this mess with people who constantly defy these health orders. NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT!!!  
 
Edited by Dalmation_Girl, 2021-05-20 16:47:58

They have been asking Manitobans to stay at home for weeks, but again today, the public health order requires no such thing.  
 
People will be out this weekend, they will be camping, they will be fishing, they will be at parks, and all of that is allowed so long as they don't gather with anyone outside their household.  
 
Today's news conference was very anticlimactic. Many good questions were asked by journalists and pretty much all of them were given responses that had little or nothing to do with the question being asked.  
 
I think many would have preferred to see more strict health orders. But there is no order to stay at home, just the repeated message that people really ought to do that.

It all boils down to enforcement, they can make all the restrictions they want, and if there is no enforcement people will just do whatever they want. Mark my words, by next weekend after may long we will be seeing 800-900 cases a day (or more). Twice in the last week I drove past soccer fields with 18 people and 9 people, as well as a basketball court with 10, except one person the rest were massless. The good portion of people that are doing their reasonable best to follow rules are paying the price of those that don’t care or have a sense of entitlement. People think nobody can tell them to wear a mask, why not, you are told everyday you have to wear clothes, so if you are so special go run around naked and see how far you get. Complete ignorance and lack of respect for others, unfortunately that is what our self centered society has become. You can’t fix stupid.

Thank you, Covidsux. The Manitoba site has a bit more detailed (not old and outdated) information, including the unseen disabilities, if one wishes to research & read for themselves.  
 
I clearly do personally fall under these exceptions. I also know that I run a great risk getting "reported" by excitable and scared people and possibly fined if I go out at all in public anymore. I know that I am also taking a great personal risk posting about my experience on here to obviously angry people (and I have no idea if this post will be pulled either), but I believe that people need to consider what they are doing to others in the heat of the moment. Please take a moment to listen to & consider that which you might not understand. It often is that way if you aren't the one personally dealing with the disability.  
 
Also, I have to say that I also really do not appreciate those who lie about having any invisible disability either. It makes this situation extra difficult for those of us who truly do have one and limits us even further.  
 
I have been on the receiving end of what you talk about, Covidsux, and it was very unsettling. I am very aware that it is not ideal, nor accepted, to wear a face shield, but that is all that I can manage (someone can call me a liar, but you'd be assuming & be so wrong) and so I at least did that. It was at least visible. I was hoping that it would show that I was trying to the best of my ability instead of going fully open faced. It wasn't to be haughty or obstinate, nor uninformed. I am no better than anyone else. I am just trying to get by. I have actually gone without certain necessities (I will need them soon after a year and it requires being in person), and so I've been just making due, due to dealing with my disability. I would wear a mask if I could. It would be so much more simple and people would be less prone to ignorantly judge. I could almost live freely (as much as one can now) as some of you do.  
 
I was upset at first when asked to leave a store...a normal reaction, because it is shocking to be confronted even if you expect it might happen. It is hurtful and disrespectful if you explain and your allowed & true reason is dismissed. I was not rude, didn't yell or fight, just stated clearly what I deal with, and it affects me almost daily. It isn't fun. Even though it is illegal for a business owner to actually ask the problem, I have no issues saying what it is...in person. I will not say it online if it's requested, because it is nobody else's business.  
 
I respected the store owner by leaving (they don't need unnecessary fines either because someone assumed incorrectly and reported them) & then I promptly went out into the vehicle and cried very hard. It certainly didn't help my growing anxiety. Remember, my disability is invisible to others and unfortunately social anxiety is part of the residual. I had a lot of trouble trusting anyone not to verbally attack me the remainder of the day and I could not look anyone in the face. It was too scary. Fortunately, people were understanding and not confrontational...some were even kind (thank you!). I finished what I needed to do, and gladly went home to safety.  
 
To be clear I don't shop daily. I rarely go into the city. I might go in once a month. I haven't been sick for many years, certainly not in the past year, not even as much as a regular cold. I stay pretty isolated as I don't trust people easily (and the attitudes on this thread show exactly why I don't...covid doesn't even have to be present for some people to be unthinkingly cruel and forceful toward others).  
 
It has been very hurtful, and frankly, terrifying, to read the daily assumptions, hate and derogatory name calling posted by newspapers, online mainstream news channels, & many aggressive anonymous members on here. I don't seek it out, but there it is, in my face. I am not a confrontational person, rather shy and quiet in person, actually, and to assume that I am willingly not wearing a mask because I am pig-headed and don't care is very misplaced.  
 
Please consider, there are many reasons the counts are high. It isn't just gatherings & maskless people. That is just the popular mantra as everyone wants to lay blame on someone else for every aspect. If someone is different from themselves...it must be their fault. But you know, *so many* masked people don't distance. That is basic. I really appreciated any distancing, even before this all began, in fact. I especially hated it if someone was sick. They always liked to get in your face & say how sick they were or cough in your face. Ugh. I also remember starting a conversation here about washing hands and it was absolutely amazing how many people hated on me for saying how important proper hand washing was. I was also shocked how many people didn't wash their hands after a toilet break! That's just basic hygiene. There are lots of other factors too.  
 
As Covidsux stated, there are sick people knowingly going out hiding behind masks...masks which aren't infallible...they aren't perfect, and these sick folks could easily spread it to very many. It is not just the maskless. Case in point, I saw a lady inside a fast food place last summer, hacking away in front of the counter. Whether she had bronchitis or not (I don't know), she should not have been out in public while sick. I was glad that I was nowhere close. Most recently last week, I saw another lady outside of a large store who was obviously coughing as only a sick person will. She *had been wearing a mask* and had just been in the store and I noticed her as she put her cart in the cart storage. I have no idea what she was sick from, but should be staying home if sick. That's simple courtesy. Again, I was thankful there was distance between us.  
 
Needless to say, unfortunately, I do not feel welcome in, nor safe, from the people in Brandon anymore. They scare me more than this virus, quite frankly. It makes me sad and actually disgusted how quick people judge those with disabilities with no understanding and no give. We are all dealing with the situation at hand. Nobody wants it. Everyone wants it to be over. Repeating hateful comments and calling for the mountains to fall down on them, so to speak, actually won't make anything better. This unwelcome sickness, what have to deal with, is here, and it will most likely always be in some form.  
 
Can we not just be more kind to others as we work through it? You do not know what someone may have to deal with or has just gone through. You just don't know and most won't ever ask. You can choose to either be kind & encouraging or you can choose to rip people apart and destroy them.  
 
Truly, the choice is yours.

Wow this was so powerful. I choked up a little. Gosh, we could all use this reminder to be more kind

was very sweet comment, I hope it makes her feel better.

We are all sick of the half-measure restrictions, but please stay vigilant and do your part. Follow the rules and hopefully we get out of this by the end of the year.

underwhelmed by the new "restrictions" yesterday? I was expecting the gov't to get tough but no. Even though Dr. Roussin talked about people gathering for parties, potlucks the orders only suggested people stay apart! He said that even though there has been transmission of the virus from these gatherings he wasn't going to assign blame, wth? Okay so the same is going to happen this weekend. People love a long weekend and gathering with their friends.  
As for the one person shopping, I'm okay with that except now my family member and I won't be able to enter a store together, we each purchase our own stuff but now we can't.  
I hardly think that just because the two of us don't shop together at one store that is going to get rid of covid! But the people who gather? they'll still be gathering and the gov't isn't going to enforce the rules?  
 
Edited by Johnbisonbear, 2021-05-21 09:54:23

I’m very sorry you have been through such a terrible time, and have been judged harshly. I just want to point that in your statement you also judged people without knowing their full story.  
The comments about the people you saw coughing. I may have been one of those, possible even the one you saw putting the cart away. I have extreme lung issues, and I need to cough to keep my lungs moving and clear. Not everyone with a cough is “sick”. If I had to stay home because I cough, I would never be able to leave my home ever. I wear a mask, even though it’s extremely difficult. And I have to do a ritual of inhalers, water, gum/mint and try and cough my face off to clear my lungs before putting on my mask and entering a store/business so I don’t have to do it while inside. For fear of judgement like you had.  
I have had episodes where the anxiety has set in and I’ve had a full blown attack in the stores (which is a cough/choke), which lasts approximately 5 mins or less. I carry water everywhere for this reason. I can’t help how or when it comes on. It is not contagious. I am not a threat. But you sure get stares and glares.  
And by the time I get to the part where I’m putting the cart in the coral outside after, I’m exhausted from trying to hold it back from being in the store wearing a mask. I may have to cough again to clear my lungs. I know I do when I get in my car for sure.  
I need new glasses so bad, but I’m scared of having an attack. Covid has brought on a whole new level of anxiety and fear of stigmatism.  
So you are just as guilty of judgment as you are claiming others to be.

Can we all stop judging everyone all the time? I've seen people without masks in stores. It doesn't phase me. Who am I to determine why someone isn't wearing a mask? I am responsible for my actions alone. If I'm not comfortable with the potential risks to me, I leave the situation. But I'm not going to judge someone guilty of something without knowing all the facts.  
 
I have allergies. Sometimes that makes me appear quite ill. Except I'm not. If I cough or sneeze or my eyes are watering someone is glancing my way. Two years ago this wasn't a thing. I can't hide inside my whole life. I can't predict when I might experience an allergic reaction to something.  
 
Can we all just stop judging each other? The majority of us are actually doing our best to get through this.  
 
Vaccination is the best way out of this. If you've gotten your vaccine, congratulations. Get your second dose as soon as you can and let's move on.  
 
Stop blaming each other. A lot of what I see people getting upset about isn't actually a violation of any health order - unless you're in law enforcement and can prove it is.  
 
If you want stricter measures, I get that - but then take it up with your elected officials.  
 
Be kind. It has been a tough time for everyone.

Agree with you completely. Until authorities get tough and properly enforce restrictions and more people get vaccinated then millions more people will die from covid19.  
Poor attitudes and lack of proper direction have made this pandemic worse in Canada and we need to toughen up and now.

Nice to see Manitoba public health officials finally send out an emergency broadcast reminding all Manitobans to stay home, leave for essentials only. Do not gather with people from outside your household. Follow public health orders and get tested if sick.

Too much judgement and blaming. It’s a pandemic. It’s no one’s fault. I don’t agree with the big protests or church services or anything like that, but I don’t obsess about what other people are doing or put blame on anyone. Stay as safe and as respectful as you can and get your vaccine.

It really is not fair on businesses and staff though is it? For the most part they wear masks all of the time throughout their long shift and clean surfaces regularly to protect everyone else and to help these businesses remain open to serve us . Store staff cannot leave a situation In which someone else refuses to follow guidelines and restrictions. The least that we can all do at least through courtesy is to wear a mask whenever we enter and spend time in these businesses. There is really no excuse, no one likes it but if one cannot or will not wear a face covering for the short time that they are in a store then they have no business being in there. This is a public health measure to help protect everyone else around you and like other restrictions it is not much to be asked.  
 
Edited by Farmergeorge, 2021-05-22 09:03:54

What is so sad is the inability for capable adults to shop alone. Watch for the couples arriving together but standing apart once they get closer to the door so it can appear they are alone. It is so utterly pathetic. Of all the things we are asked to do this just seems like such an easy sacrifice to make to not go on shopping dates together.  
 
In no way is this directed at parents with children or caregivers. It’s sad that a couple takes up a spot so the elderly have to wait in line longer. It’s just so very selfish and even though it’s been highly recommended throughout the span of covid for one member per household but not ‘enforced’ until now it’s probably what I have always found most frustrating to see.  
 
I also feel bad for the staff who have to attempt to enforce these things where they shouldn’t even be put in that position by those people in the first place.

People spend huge dollars on having a roof over their heads.....why can't they just stay in them and actually enjoy them for a little while for the greater good of everyone....whether you believe covid is real or not....is it really too big of an ask to help mankind???

I have seen and experienced elderly with questionable manners as well.

Went to Walmart at lunch time, most people in line (and leaving the store), we single people. But, while I was in line, I saw 3 families (mom, dad and kids) stand in line several spots behind me, as well as a group of 4 young (my guess young 20s) men get out of a vehicle together and stand together in line.  
 
It will be people like those who will continue to ruin it for the rest of us.  
 
Our children cannot see their grandparents, and my other halfs grandma is in the hospital and we cannot go visit her. We cannot have a BBQ or fire with family in the backyard at all. I cannot see there being much of a summer this year.

Only one per household was allowed to enter so no worries.